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My initial impression of my P85+ performance

Discussion in 'Model S: Driving Dynamics' started by joesp85+, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. joesp85+

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    So after so much anticipation, I finally got my pearl white P85+/twin chargers/moonrof/tech/childseats today. I have been scouring this forum for the last several months actively reading and absorbing all the nuances with the car. I have some experience with high end cars with my previous cars being a SL 500, CL 500, M6, Corvette, 911, S550, and XJR. I have become an electric convert since getting solar panels and owning my volt, so I took the plunge and ordered my model s.
    After so much wrangling about what to get, I really, really splurged and went for it all.....meaning ordering the P85+ with every bell and whistle...to the cost of over $125K.
    I wasn't sure whether to order the performance and since I was never able to test drive a performance plus package, I was very concerned about the driving characteristics of the car. From the way it was described on the website, the plus package would drive smoother, but handle better. Seems like an oxymoron to me, but I took it for what it's worth I spent the extra $6500(I was already ordering the 21 inch wheels anyway for my P85).
    So here are my impressions after a full day with the car so far.

    1. I love the 17 inch touchscreen. There is nothing on the market that even is in the same planet as Tesla. This in itself is a game changer. Everyone who has one knows that. It's mesmorizing and most everything is easy(I don't like the way the homelink is accessed).

    2. The acceleration is breathtaking. I already had 2 people test drive it today, and it literally blew away any expectation they had. Everyone seems to also agree with this, and so am I. For a large sedan to accelerate this fast, let alone an electric is ridiculous. I just hope I don't get a lead foot too often and get a speeding ticket.

    3. I do like the interior design. For me the moonroof is a must...The headliner drops down 2 inches lower without the sunroof, and in the back seats, that could be somewhat clostraphobic. Don't know if I will ever use the childseats, and its something the dealer has to remove they tell me. The seats are okay, but I do agree my MBZ/Jag/BMW had better seats...I expect the next gen will be better.

    4. The handling is great for those whose priority is for fine tuned race-car like handling. For a sedan, its unflappable with hard cornering and high speed maneuvers. It easily outhandles a S63/on par with my M6. But my beef with Tesla today is that it does drive a bit noisier than a regular 85kw with 19's and even the 21 inch. It drives a bit rougher than most luxury sedans such as an S550 or 750iL. It was advertised to be smoother(so hence the reason I bought it along with being cool to be one of the first to own a +), but I don't think that is the case. For most of us who don't drive too aggressively(me included), if you want the soft luxurious ride I am used too, and don't need the aggressive sports car attitude, get the 85kw. As I have become older, I dont' speed, and don't ever race, and enjoy the peace and quiet of being by myself listening to music in my car. But the younger me convinced my older side to give in and go for the gusto. For those who want the P85+, it should be for those in the market for a M5/S63/Panamera turbo who want a more aggressive handling car and able to live with more road vibration/bounce. So many posts have hailed the P85+ as the best model s to buy, it convinced me too. But I hope this helps anyone debating like I did what to get.

    5. I hear a reverberation in the car as I get up to speed.....just like when you have one window open and you get that noise that makes you open another window just a crack to let the air escape....I have extremely sensitive ears, so that is one mart of it. I think it could the buffeting of the air as it passes above the car, or ??escape of air somewhere....don't know.

    6. Service was good, but not stellar. My delivery specialist said they would put aside a parcel shelf that I could purchase at the time of pickup, along with a high power wall charger, but when I asked today....they didn't have a clue......then they said they don't carry it, then said to order it online...No big deal, but would have been nice if they told me that from the get go. They seem a bit absent minded sometimes...I had to call them to arrange today to come in today to get the car....it wasn't until I called them first did they schedule me for an exact time today......no big deal since they are probrably inundated with new car deliveries now.

    7. Don't know about extended warranty....I need to get it within the week since the price increases, but since I change cars every 2-3 years, it is worth it?

    8. I would have preferred the charger in the front like my chevy volt. I have to relocate my chargepoint in the garage.....would be nice if all the electric car guys could standardize that..then I wouldn't have to move the charger from one place in the wall to another location. But not a big deal either.
     
  2. Johann Koeber

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    #2 Johann Koeber, Jun 30, 2013
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    Thank you for your insights.

    #4 makes me feel better about not getting the P+. I am also older than I used to be and given a choice prefer quiet and serenity to ultimate power.
     
  3. stevezzzz

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    #3 stevezzzz, Jun 30, 2013
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    Good report, and your conclusions on ride/noise will certainly be useful to others making the same decision.

    #5. That reverb you're hearing may be the rear hatch: try adjusting the rubber bumpers inside the hatch lip. The latching mechanism puts a load on them, and if they're not extended quite far enough the entire hatch can oscillate slightly at speed turning the interior into a giant subwoofer. Some say the parcel shelf helps, too, but I never experienced the reverb and can't tell any difference since I got my parcel shelf.
     
  4. trils0n

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    That was going to be my suggestion as well. My car had the same issue and it was fixed with a twist or two of those rubber stoppers.
     
  5. lolachampcar

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    I'm a long time M5 fan and really appreciate the detail in your + package examination. I can not wait for the + to come in. I really miss MS.
     
  6. B-Chicago

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    Thanks for the insight. Interesting to hear from someone who has had the M6. I came from the Audi S6 and agree with your assessments (including the seats), but never had the RS6 which would be an interesting comparison. Still, the drive is so different that the 0-60 time is really only one aspect of the speed characteristics.

    Nice to hear your take on the +. I'm sure it does what it says it will do, but also decided I didn't need it. Still haven't tried a + so probably better off not knowing what I am missing anyway. The unanswered question I think we all probably have is the comparison on long-term quality/reliability. All of these characteristics are great so far but will be pointless if the car deteriorates faster over time. Mercedes, Porsche, Audi and BMW have distinguished themselves in this category. Hopefully Tesla can top them there as well.
     
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    I really miss my RS6 stereo. I think it was the best of any car I've owned.
     
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    Or better yet, get the Performance P85 upgrade without the Plus package and stick with 19" wheels. That will give you more power and acceleration while maintaining a soft, comfortable ride and with long tire life.
     
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    Great Review! I was also in the same situation where tesla couldn't find a P85+ demo car for me to drive but I bit the bullet and ordered the same spec car as you. I come from owning and driven multiple performance vehicle (couple EVOs, M3, 911 Turbo, Cayenne turbos, new 991, boxster, cayman, etc). Can't wait!
     
  10. joesp85+

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    I have reviewed some other posts about the P85+, and everyone talks about the dynamics of the drive; how well it handles, corners, and maneuvers. For me, that is great and all, but lets review what it says:

    Performance Plus takes one of the world's best sedans into supercar handling territory, while also improving ride quality and range. After hundreds of iterations affecting every detail of the suspension, our vehicle dynamics team was able to achieve the rare outcome of simultaneously improving performance, comfort and efficiency. In addition to upgraded dampers, bushings, stabilizer bars and tires (Michelin Pilot Sport PS2), the rear tires are 20 mm wider and staggered for improved acceleration on low grip surfaces. Range improves 6 to 12 miles over regular 21” wheels. Requires 21" wheels, available in Grey or Silver.

    it says it would improve ride quality and comfort...but at least with my car....it is definitely not more comfortable or improve ride quality. After driving it again today, it emits quite a bit of road noise and I feel all the minor bumps. I was a bit misled with the above statements. If I wanted a better sports car, I would have bought a 911 turbo or a R8. i paid 125K, and was convinced by tesla's claim that they achieve this "rare" improvement, so I expected it to also drive comfortable. I still love the way it drives, and I will need to have a direct comparison with a P85 and 85 too. If anyone is interested, please let me know.

    But everyone needs to be aware of the "real" driving dynamics. It does drive like a sports car......Tesla just needs to inform us better. They have done a great job with everything else.
     
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    Joe,

    Did you check the tyre pressures are set correctly? Maybe they are over-inflated for delivery; I had that problem with two new cars in the past.

    I believe comparing with 19" S85 will not be a fair comparison. For your peace of mind, I'm sure the SC can help out and provide a P85 with 21" for comparison and if your car is demonstrably more uncomfortable let them see if something is wrong with the suspension.

    Alex
     
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    I have just readjusted the tire pressures--the door panel states the front should be 38psi and rears 42. My were delivered with 45 psi all around...let's see if this makes a difference, but it shouldn't really that much.
    Getting the parcel shelf does eliminate the reverb quite a bit.
    I may just live with the car....and then get someone to do an aftermarket sound deadening for me..and upgrade the stereo.
     
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    For those of us who've lived with high-performance sports cars all their adult lives, even a "loud" Model S is likely going to be like sitting in a library.

    I also ordered the Plus package without having had the chance to drive it...not a single demo unit in all of Chicago when I visited there a couple times...so I'm delighted that the handling compares favorably to what I perceive as some world-class sports sedans.

    Thanks for the write-up!
     
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    I agree, coming from only owning sports cars my whole life, this will be much more comfortable than I'm used to.
     
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    Thanks for the review Joe, I'm sure many people in that position will find it helpful. I think for me it is a matter of perspective, my last car was a C63 Coupe and it had such hard suspension that I swear you could feel a quarter if you ran it over. To me the P85+ feels like I'm being pampered and riding on a cushion of air. Lol
     
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    Has anyone used dynamat for sound deadening before??
     
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    To offer another person's point of reference, I traded in my 2013 (F10) M5 for a Model S P85+. I have also previously owned a 2003 E39 M5, 2009 E90 M3 and a 2011 E70 X5M. But for purposes of this comparison I'm referencing my 2013 M5.

    My "seat of the pants" comparison of the Model S P85+ to my M5 left me nothing short of amazed. I loved the M5 but the Model S feels just as fast (if not faster) accelerating, handles just as well (if not a slight bit better - lower center of gravity?) and, to me, handles road imperfections better than the M5. The Model S has more than restored my faith in the ability of Americans to build a car on par with the Germans in quality and driving feel.

    In other words, I couldn't be happier. The first time I laid eyes on the Model S in the flesh was when it was delivered to my home 10 days ago. I bought it without ever driving it or seeing it in person. So far it has exceeded every preconceived expectation I had.

    Mike
     
  18. DSJ

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    Thanks for the comparison. I'm really amazed that the + is just that much better. Only 3.5 weeks until I get mine and I'm definitely anxious. I'm also buying it without driving it (I've driven a non perf 85 though) so I'm assuming I'll be blown away.
     
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    Thanks for your comments, joe!

    I was very skeptical that a handling package could even maintain, much less improve, ride comfort and your experience seems to fit with that.

    All the rave reviews of the P+ had pretty much convinced me to try it, but I've been burned by sport packages in the past (I sold my last car after only a year because I couldn't take the rough "sport" ride any longer). The last thing I want is a car I can't stand to drive (again), only having paid over $100K this time. Having to buy $500 tires wouldn't be missed either, TBH.

    Still don't know whether I can risk it. The only way I'll be able to make a decision is if I can get one for a test drive.
     
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    I just drove a 85Kw today, and it is definitely smoother, but does not handle anywhere like my car; I am getting used to the firmer ride, but am considering getting 20 inch wheels with some more rubber....
     

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