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My Starbucks Idea is amazingly odd

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  1. dsm363

    dsm363 Roadster + Sig Model S

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    My Starbucks Idea

    Anyone ever checked it out? I posted something about Starbucks placing EV chargers and got it immedatiely voted down as a bad idea. Ever EV charger idea posted since then (hadn't checked for a year after the level of intelligent arguments there) get the same thing

    1) I don't want to pay a dime more for you to charge your car. Do it yourself at home

    2) it ruins the coffee house feel

    some other favorites from 'top commentors'
     
  2. jerry33

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    I don't go to Starbucks very often, but the times I have the one thing I've noticed in every one I've been to is that the parking lots and parking spaces are very small. Putting any kind of EVSE in would require taking out two of the few parking spaces for each EVSE.

    I'll admit that the time spent waiting in line would allow for a full range charge.
     
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    The places to do this would be in those locations along major highways (like Tesla is doing with the Superchargers) so parking is usually less of an issue. I agree that no more than one spot would be needed to start. ChargePoint could take care of the billing. I had always thought their customers were a little more enlightened but see the same FUD/anti-EV crowd jumping on any EV suggestion there but a super-triple mint soy carmel non-fat chai latte gets voted way up and adopted as a corporate good idea. Oh well.
     
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    Are there any Starbucks along major highways? I don't recall seeing any. Starbucks is generally in urban areas.
     
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    There are some but you are right, most are in urban areas. Typically the small, stand alone store design. There is one between Dallas and Austin
    I-35 & Hwy. 22 in Hillsboro, TX for example.
     
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    Tons here. In fact, I have my GPS set to notify me as to what exits have Starbucks and/or Peet's. ("Hi, my name is Bonnie and I'm addicted to coffee.) Lots of the highway 'services ahead' signs post the Starbuck's logo, along with various fast food stops.

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    As far as Starbucks installing EVSEs (or any other business) - if they believe it will bring them additional business, they'll do it. Usually they're co-located with other businesses - easy enough to install a charging station or two in the larger parking lot if the group of businesses believe it will result in more customers.
     
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    In all seriousness, are you there long enough for a significant charge? Similar to Walgreens, why charge there? Put them outside restaurants and other places you'll spend a lot of time at
     
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    It would be more of a top-up stop if they only put in the 30A variety but in some areas, that's all you have outside a 110V outlet somewhere or a RV park which at 40A would be better but if I'm going to be somewhere for 3-4 hours, would rather sit at a Starbucks with WiFi than at a RV park.
     
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    They're internet-friendly, a good reason to hang out.

    Realistically, I'll always pick a campground over a 30amp EVSE (which is what most are in the wild) - but it would be helpful for Leaf owners, for instance, who have such limited range.
     
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    True, though the idea of a hike while charging sounds kinda fun
     
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    Can you post the link to your idea on their web site. I cannot find it.
     
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    Yeah, I tried that a couple of years ago and got seriously shouted down. It seems the site is dominated by a few people with very strong opinions, and EVs don't fit their model. It's pretty stupid because Starbucks would be in my "top 3 places to wait while charging".

    If Starbucks management has any brains, they'll realize that they have to come up with the great ideas for their coffee shops. Customers are good at coming up with little incremental improvements, but never come up with the big ideas that really matter. Usually those come from the leaders of the company, e.g. people like Elon.
     
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    That would be nice. Guess it depends on RV park. A lot of them out here have nothing around them so you are basically stuck.
     
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    Yeah, I guess I'm thinking more campground than RV park. Still, why not just sit in your car and surf the net if that's what you would do in a Starbucks anyway? I guess since I don't drink coffee I don't see the huge draw.
     
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    #15 dsm363, Dec 25, 2012
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    Here's the one I posted over a year ago and the response let me know it wasn't a site for serious ideas with Starbucks
    DC Fast charging for Electric Vehicles (EVs) at Starbuck locations near major highways

    lilmissykato got upset I was trying to ruin her coffee house environment


    A search for EV
    Search Results

    Here's a few of them
    Jolt my Volt!
    and
    EV Charging stations

    shows a number of other ones and they all have minus 100 points or more so don't appear on their radar as a 'good idea'. I had e-mailed Starbucks directly last year but didn't get anywhere.
     
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    Around here, it's pretty common to hold informal business meetings at Starbucks (that may also be because we tend to have outdoor seating year-round). I've had several Starbucks meetings during this past year, average length of time was probably ~60-70 minutes. Never had one at Walgreens though.
     
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    I'm not saying Starbucks is the perfect place but I had always thought of Starbucks as an environmentally forward Seattle based company and was surprised by the backlash on that website. I think one Level 2 charger per Starbucks (only some of them as it wouldn't work everywhere) would be a start.
     
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    Suggest Min 70 amp Level II
     
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    That's what I'd want as well. I'd imagine it would be like most things and they would want to put in the absolute cheapest things possible regardless of how useful it was.
     
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    I would not give up on this idea. At the first link, most of the comments were positive despite the -100 rating. Someone has a grudge. Coffeehouse charging makes a lot of sense, just like WiFi. We should keep working on Starbucks, Seattle's Best, independent coffeehouses, Panara Bread, restaurants, and anyone else with free WiFi.

    GSP
     

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