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Need advice: High milage P85 from 2014

Discussion in 'Model S: Ordering, Production, Delivery' started by Marvin, May 2, 2020.

  1. Marvin

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    Hi,
    I hope I can get some good advice here: I saw a 2014 P85 advertised with 270k km on it - so about 170k miles.

    From the pictures it looks good and the price is attractive. It is sold by a car dealer. According to the advertisement it has recently undergone a big service costing $5k (!) and both the battery and the motor have been replaced: the battery at 140k miles and the motor at 130k miles.

    I am looking into getting my first Tesla Model S and although I do not specifically look for a performance version (and from what I found online this is not faster than the 'normal'85D), that would be of course a nice extra. Unfortunately I cannot go and see it at the moment due the the COVID19 rules in place. From what I have been reading on the forum a high milage S is not necessarily a bad thing, and here since the battery has fairly new having done only 30k miles (and it still has two years warranty) I feel not so much can go wrong.

    What do you think? What to look out for when I finally get a chance to see it? (not the usual used car stuff but I mean specifically for this model)?
     
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    Early P85’s had a lot of problems. I’m also not sure what a “$5K service would be”

    I would stay clear of used, high-mileage, older builds. LOTS can go wrong. For context: a battery is $20K+, a drivetrain is $12K+, etc...repairs can wind up costing more than you pay for the vehicle.

    I guess it would be helpful to know the price though too...
     
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  3. Marvin

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    Price is €34k, or about $38k which here in Europe is cheap, not many S below 40k on the market.

    Drivetrain and battery are pretty new which is what I like about it, and they should still be under warranty until 2022 (I believe in the past there was no mileage limit, just 8 year warranty)

    My guess for the 5k service is some suspension and brake work, but will try to find out more.
     
  4. Akikiki

    Akikiki A'-Lo-HA ! y'all

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    I agree with guide about numbers thrown out there. You say its got a replaced battery and motor. How do you know? Seen the invoice that came from Tesla? How do you know it has a remaining 2 year warranty. You don't need to tell me, you need someone to show you the proof - again - to you, not us.
     
  5. Marvin

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    No, not seen any proof, just quoting from the online add.
     
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    Akikiki A'-Lo-HA ! y'all

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    Beware of dealerships that are not well versed in Tesla features, options and warranties. They often "don't have a clue". Just be careful so somebody doesn't zonk you.
     
  7. Marvin

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    I get what you mean but in practice what is the alternative as to where to buy a used Tesla?

    1. Buying from Tesla:
    From what I could read on this forum and also elsewhere, buying a used car from Tesla is a rather chaotic and lengthy experience. Advantage is of course the warranty directly from Tesla

    2. Buying privately:
    No warranty, plenty of risks. Maybe better price (but haven’t seen much interesting in terms of price)

    3. Buying from a non-Tesla dealer:
    True, they might not be very knowledgeable about the car, but they have to give me by law a warranty, so that gives at least some peace of mind. But there are of course also a lot of shoddy ones out there...
     
  8. Akikiki

    Akikiki A'-Lo-HA ! y'all

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    1. Buying difficulties or easy varies by region/country even representative. That's life.

    2. Buying private, you get a history of the car, lower price will help offset any unexpected repairs. Like to retain Supercharging and free connectivity.

    3. Buying from non-Tesla. Could have been bought at auction because Tesla didn't want it. You want one that Tesla didn't want to sell?
     
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    Also, consider that the replacement battery may not be new, under the warranty terms, the replacement battery can be similar age /condition to previous battery. World recommend getting a bt obd and canbus cable. Install scanmytesla. Find out the real story on the battery.
     
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  10. hpartsch

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    I say skip it and get one with warranty. I've had so many repairs on my 2013. Had I not had the extended warranty - I estimate the total of all repairs would be near 15k at least...
     
  11. Marvin

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    Thanks for all the interesting feedback, I didn't know that Tesla would replace with a 2nd hand battery, that indeed changes things quite a bit.

    @hpartsch: May I be curious: what kind of repairs did you have that added up to so much?

    Overall I guess you guys are right and I probably keep searching. I still would prefer a dualdrive..
     
  12. Akikiki

    Akikiki A'-Lo-HA ! y'all

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    Not 2nd hand Tesla refurbishes the battery before it goes back in. I had one in my 2013. Internal components that were more likely marginal in 2012-14 that lead to battery problems are replaced or corrected when they refurbish the battery. Overall you would rather have a refurbished battery in 2020 than a brand new 2014 battery in 2020.

    Many manufacturer's don't put a brand new component in older cars. Re-manufactured or refurbished.
     
  13. Marvin

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    Ok, let me try again with a different Model S, this time offered by Tesla:

    It's a 90D from 2016 (facelift) with only 26k miles on it. I guess for that reason Tesla offers full 4 year warranty (limited to 50k miles driven from delivery however, but that should be almost the same as 4 years anyway in my case)
    If I compare it with a brand new Long Range, I save about 38% which is not nothing. However I wonder what I miss out in terms of options. The one offered has the following options according to Tesla's website:
    - next generation black seats
    - Autopilot with "comfort functions" (so I guess that's just the cruise control with autosteer on the motorway?)
    - Sunroof
    - Hepa filter
    - Keyless Entry
    - electric trunk
    - Homelink
    - black roof liner

    I guess all of these things are standard included in the 2020 model. I guess what I am missing out on is the air suspension, anything else?
     
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    Akikiki A'-Lo-HA ! y'all

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    Sounds like a nice car. I certainly would be more inclined to select this one over the other, even sight unseen.
     
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    The good thing is -- I think most of the big-ticket items have been taken care of. Still have a year of warranty -- so that is good :).
     
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    Thanks for sharing, 13k was paid by yourself or that’s what it would have cost?
     
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    15k - low estimate I think. Paid by warranty and extended warranty.
     
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    Got it, would be interesting to know how much excluding drive train and battery (which are still covered in above mentioned car). But certainly quite a bit.
     
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    Battery and motor. That's it. I wasn't really counting that in the 15k. A replacement battery is 20k. I think an engine is somewhere around 5k? or more.
     
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    Wow, the only other really expensive item I could see in the list was the MCU which I think is about 3k.
     

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