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Need New Tires - 21" - What's Best?
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Dameon
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Well, looks like my unfortunate prediction is becoming reality. 9100 miles and I'm pretty much on the wear indicators. Another 1000 miles and I'll be at threads. That sucks.
So, I guess I'll order the Conti's. 2 sets of tires a year gets expensive.
AMPd
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Dameon
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Okay, cost is normally not a significant factor as the various tires are normally "close" in price. Apparently not the case on Tire Rack for 265/35ZR21 (101Y) XL rear tires...
FALKEN AZENIS FK510 $208
PIRELLI P ZERO (PZ4) $308
MICHELIN PILOT SUPER SPORT $367
CONTINENTAL CONTISPORTCONTACT 5P $357
MICHELIN PILOT SPORT 4S $439
Personal experience has proven the Falken's and the Michelin PSS's are 10-11K mile tires. It seems the forum has seen similar mileage from the Continental's. Aside from the consistent crappy mileage of the Falken's (which seems to be the norm), I was perfectly happy with these tires. For the cost, why would I consider others?
AMPd
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Other tires are better performing tires.
Id be interested to see their braking rating.
Dameon
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Good point. My environment doesn't have ice and snow, so that could be a benefit of the more expensive tires, but they are all listed as "summer performance tires". The Falken's get great traction in the rain in my experience. A spirited jump from a traffic light in the rain has just a small amount of slip over the white painted line, but otherwise pretty solid. Little, to no, hydroplaning observed. I only had one full-on panic stop and the Falken's did okay, but I still have Michelin PS2's on the front. They tend to last 2-3 times longer than the back. Since most of your braking is in the front, the Falken's probably didn't play a significant role in that effort.
I guess it'll be the Falken's again.
AMPd
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You definitely don’t want to take max summer performance tires in freezing weather
I took my Michelin Pilot sport 2’s and they drive as if I was driving on hockey pucks
s1rk
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+1 to this statement. Had the same experience when I took my car to Mammoth last January.
Tech_Guy
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Yes it’s very dangerous to take summer tires in cold temperatures
Here’s a quote from this tire rack article https://m.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=273
Here’s a quote from this tire rack article https://m.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=273
Summer performance tires feature tread compounds engineered to provide traction in warm to hot ambient temperatures. They were never intended to experience near- and below-freezing temperatures, nor the wintry driving conditions that often accompany them.
As ambient temperatures get colder, typically in the 40-45° Fahrenheit range, summer performance tires lose a noticeable percentage of traction as their tread compound rubber properties change from a pliable elastic to inflexible plastic. The tire industry uses the term "glass transition" to describe the temperature where a summer performance tire's grip/slip performance changes dramatically. This means the summer performance tires that provide predictable traction in warm to hot conditions will be found to be very challenging to drive in cold to freezing temperatures. This is especially true when the tires first begin to be driven or if the driver aggressively applies gas pedal pressure with today's turbocharged fours or high-torque sixes and eights. Fortunately, glass transition is a reversible condition that allows the tires' normal traction to return as the ambient temperatures climb.
If ambient temperatures drop to near- or below-freezing, driving or rolling a vehicle equipped with summer performance tires risks the possibility of tread compound cracking. Tread compound cracking is a permanent condition that requires the tires to be replaced. The other condition that can be caused by running summer performance tires in cold temperatures is the possibility of chipping away the edges of the tread blocks.
Since both of these conditions only occur as the result of what's considered improper use or storage, they are not typically covered by the manufacturer's warranty
As ambient temperatures get colder, typically in the 40-45° Fahrenheit range, summer performance tires lose a noticeable percentage of traction as their tread compound rubber properties change from a pliable elastic to inflexible plastic. The tire industry uses the term "glass transition" to describe the temperature where a summer performance tire's grip/slip performance changes dramatically. This means the summer performance tires that provide predictable traction in warm to hot conditions will be found to be very challenging to drive in cold to freezing temperatures. This is especially true when the tires first begin to be driven or if the driver aggressively applies gas pedal pressure with today's turbocharged fours or high-torque sixes and eights. Fortunately, glass transition is a reversible condition that allows the tires' normal traction to return as the ambient temperatures climb.
If ambient temperatures drop to near- or below-freezing, driving or rolling a vehicle equipped with summer performance tires risks the possibility of tread compound cracking. Tread compound cracking is a permanent condition that requires the tires to be replaced. The other condition that can be caused by running summer performance tires in cold temperatures is the possibility of chipping away the edges of the tread blocks.
Since both of these conditions only occur as the result of what's considered improper use or storage, they are not typically covered by the manufacturer's warranty
I have replaced the Conti's on my Model S's 21" wheels... the rears still have 8/32" remaining. I'd be happy to sell you them for $100 plus shipping. Or... if anyone on the list has some lightly worn 21" fronts they'd like to sell, I would like to buy them.
919 six one nine 3296 or PM me.
Matt
919 six one nine 3296 or PM me.
Matt
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bigbear
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I bought 4 Hankook tires last week for 880 after rebates, install, and certificates.
Dameon
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BlueOvalFan
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I believe they do not not make the proper sizes for a staggered setup the last time I check—can you verify.
Also, I might try these on my next set. They were great on my last car...
Vredestein
bigbear
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dubzz24
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2 days in to my Falken FK610’s and they’re about what I expected. Slightly less sharpness on turn-in compared to the Michelin Pilot Super Sport, but overall grip is similar with a little less road noise. Bump compliance and comfort are similar. If they wear at least as good (bad?) as the Michelin’s then I’d say they’re the way to go. Maybe I’ll try the Vredsteins next.
Dameon
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dubzz24
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It's been so long since I've driven on FK510's that I can't really offer a comparison. So far the 610's have not disappointed. They're a much better value than the Michelins though, with probably 90+ % of the performance at half the price.
Dameon
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I've never heard of the FK610's and TireRack doesn't even list them. https://www.tirerack.com/tires/falken-tires.jsp
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