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Negative reputation points need to be eliminated

Discussion in 'Site Feedback' started by neroden, May 21, 2013.

  1. neroden

    neroden Happy Model S Owner

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    They're used almost exclusively by people who don't like hearing bad news, and applied to the bearers of bad news.

    This isn't valid or desirable behavior. Don't encourage it. Get rid of the negative reputation point.
     
  2. Stoneymonster

    Stoneymonster Active Member

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    Downvote! (kidding).

    I agree with you. Positive reputation, leaving no reputation, and responding publicly would seem to cover all the bases to me.
     
  3. Raffy.Roma

    Raffy.Roma Active Member

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    I also agree with Neroden. The main principle of this Forum should be to exchange views among TMC members. We must let people free to say their own opinion without judging. We can give our reasons to people having different views but opinion different from ours should be respected.
     
  4. bonnie

    bonnie Oil is for sissies.

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    There are times that negative reputation is more than deserved - people deliberately trolling, insulting others repeatedly, stuff like that.

    I think we should just remove the anonymity of reputation (both positive and negative). If you're going to say something negative, you should be willing for the person to know who gave the negative feedback.
     
  5. DRM

    DRM Roadster #619

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    I'll agree with Bonnie

    It's too easy for a troll to make a bunch of sock-puppets to establish a "great" reputation. With this forum becoming a bit more visible to the political / stock-market folks, a bit of caution is warranted.

    My thoughts:
    1. There's no reason to have anonymity when leaving either good/bad feedback.
    2. up/down votes should somehow be weighted by the recommenders number of posts, length of membership, individual reputation, something else.
    3. Moderators should have override-authority regarding reputation; it's just too easy to game.
    //dan.
     
  6. Raffy.Roma

    Raffy.Roma Active Member

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    Bonnie I agree with you that there are times that negative reputation is deserved. But I think that in this case the moderator should intervene. In my opinion this task shouldn't be let to TMC members.
    For instance today I have been given a negative reputation for a post that in my opinion was nice. I don't really think that I deserved a negative reputation for that post. It is unpleasant.
     
  7. DRM

    DRM Roadster #619

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    by the way, are Neroden and Hershey101 the same person?
     
  8. Raffy.Roma

    Raffy.Roma Active Member

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    Agree 100%
     
  9. Krugerrand

    Krugerrand Active Member

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    Having been a recipient of negative rep, perhaps deserved, perhaps not - depending when you ask me - my only annoyance is the cowardly act of telling me what a horrible person I am and not leaving your own name behind It's a shame for a number of reasons that people can slink off and not be held accountable for their words. Other than that, the rep system is of no consequence to me.
     
  10. Doug_G

    Doug_G Lead Moderator

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    FWIW, when I give people reputation points, positive or negative, I add "Doug_G" at the end. So you know who sent it.
     
  11. AnOutsider

    AnOutsider S532 # XS27

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    ditto, though I agree with having it either public or positive only. A simple "thanks" or thumbs up button would do the trick -- Positive reinforcement (though I guess if the post being "thanked" is a post putting down another member, that could be just as bad)
     
  12. neroden

    neroden Happy Model S Owner

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    Heh. :) No. Ask JRP3, who's met both of us in person; we went out to dinner.
     
  13. DRM

    DRM Roadster #619

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    Funky. you're somehow conjoined twins when clicking on the name...
    //dan.
     
  14. GeekGirls

    GeekGirls Kid in Candy Store

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    I'd definitely support eliminating the anonymity. I like the social aspect of the feedback system and would be sorry to see it to entirely. One approach I've seen on another forum is to get rid of the negative/positive distinction and the "score" element to prevent it from being something people are even tempted to game. I don't know that you'd need to go that far here.
     
  15. NigelM

    NigelM Recovering Member

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    Like others, I include my name when I give reputation points (good and bad). Sure, the system is open to abuse and I've received negative rep that I thought was unfair, but it did make me think about what I had written.....presto, overall I've received a lot more positive rep than negative. The system works if you're willing to absorb the critique and move on.
     
  16. brianman

    brianman Burrito Founder

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    There is a downside with non-anonymous feedback: some people are not comfortable with this (for whatever reason) and thus it removes that feature for those users. I'm not one of those users, so it doesn't impact me directly.

    My recommendation is...
    1. Make the feedback author information readable to admins only.
    2. Announce the recommended way to follow-up with admins for feedback you feel was inappropriate.
    3. Wait a month or so.
    4. Decide among the admins whether to (a) continue the current system or (b) make the feedback author information available to the recipient. If (a), return to step 3.
    5. Done.

    I believe this approach somewhat mitigates the concern of my first paragraph.
     
  17. cinergi

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    Well I've never had a negative rep given to me ... quick someone give me one! :biggrin:

    In all seriousness, removing anonymity opens up an avenue for retaliation IMO.

    I honestly find the whole system useless. It literally means nothing to me when I see a 4-bar green rep vs. someone with red rep because it's not reliable information.
     
  18. rolosrevenge

    rolosrevenge Dr. EVS

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    Just because I agree with all of this thread (and to make everyone feel better) I've given all of your posts positive reputation points :smile: Except for cinergi of course :tongue:
     
  19. Oyvind.H

    Oyvind.H Member

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    Could not agree more. Didn`t even know votes were visible, but I still don`t care :)
    I got a negative rep from someone who disagreed with me.....
     
  20. gregincal

    gregincal Active Member

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    Yes, when you read the forum a lot you tend to have an personal "rep meter" that means a lot more. :wink: I don't much care one way or another, but I'll just put out that I think when people receive negative rep I think it's often more about how the post is written than the point being made (but hey, I could be wrong).
     

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