NEM metering on account (SCE)?

[mnsweeps]

I got PTO on Dec 4. Today, I got a bill ending on that date (usually its the 10th of month). And when I login , I see this. Does it mean I am registered for NEM for next 1 year and I don't have to pay each month(if I owe)?

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[AEdennis]

On SCE, you pay monthly for taxes and the "minimum" if you don't consume enough energy.

Your rolling credit/debits is settled annually.

You DO NOT get a check for that credit if it IS a credit at the end of the year, that's calculated at the WHOLESALE price if your energy consumption is less than energy generation.

I have an undersized solar system for my PowerWall2, so I generate enough credits, but not power, so my goal is to owe $20 or less at settlement.

Hope that helps.

 

[mnsweeps]

On SCE, you pay monthly for taxes and the "minimum" if you don't consume enough energy.

Your rolling credit/debits is settled annually.

You DO NOT get a check for that credit if it IS a credit at the end of the year, that's calculated at the WHOLESALE price if your energy consumption is less than energy generation.

I have an undersized solar system for my PowerWall2, so I generate enough credits, but not power, so my goal is to owe $20 or less at settlement.

Hope that helps.

Thanks.. what is the SCE minimum I pay each month? Starting second year can the credits (if any) from previous year cover the monthly charge?

 

[Kodemonkey]

@mnsweeps How do you have your powerwall configured? balanced or money-saving? Just curious. I am sure you have the EV TOU. My understanding is that money-saving will try to send some energy back to the grid during the 4pm-9pm peak rate (not much of that happening in the winter) so your credits will count for more. You still will have the non-bypassable charges of $.03 but if you can net at zero at the end during settle up that seems ideal. TOU PRIME is $.40 a day but no minimum daily charge. So they will still get you for $12 a month - I'll be interested too when I get my first bill. If I have excess credit somehow, my plan is to change to balanced which is supposed to use less grid overall.

edit: I think you will pay at least that $12 a month.

 

[mnsweeps]

@mnsweeps How do you have your powerwall configured? balanced or money-saving? Just curious. I am sure you have the EV TOU. My understanding is that money-saving will try to send some energy back to the grid during the 4pm-9pm peak rate (not much of that happening in the winter) so your credits will count for more. You still will have the non-bypassable charges of $.03 but if you can net at zero at the end during settle up that seems ideal. TOU PRIME is $.40 a day but no minimum daily charge. So they will still get you for $12 a month - I'll be interested too when I get my first bill. If I have excess credit somehow, my plan is to change to balanced which is supposed to use less grid overall.

edit: I think you will pay at least that $12 a month.

TOU - Prime is what I am on. Basically, 4 pm - 9 pm is peak for all 7 days of the week. I am on BALANCED mode and like it so far. Balanced mode fills your PW to 100% and powers the house before sending excess to the grid.

 

[Kodemonkey]

TOU - Prime is what I am on. Basically, 4 pm - 9 pm is peak for all 7 days of the week. I am on BALANCED mode and like it so far. Balanced mode fills your PW to 100% and powers the house before sending excess to the grid.

That is how my friend has his configured. He's been 90%-95% self powered but he doesn't have TOU PRIME. Not sure why - I think that would work best for him and he can change to it since he has 2 powerwalls now.

 

[mnsweeps]

I am actually surprised SCE so quickly moved me to NEM metering starting Dec 5. I have heard horror stories of it getting delayed by months / a year on some accounts which got PTO way before me..

 

[schrodarkian]

FWIW I'm on the same basic setup (SCE Prime, 7 kW system, 2 Powerwalls) and my monthly minimum charge varies from $12-13 in the summer months to sometimes $23+ in the winter months (excess attributable to taxes/fees on usage which are a few cents per kWh). My total cost for the year (on month 11 of 12) is -$200 or so. I'll probably end up with a $100 or so in credits disappearing and not much wholesale payment, which is fine with me as it's like $0.02-.03 per kWh, which is not worth it. If you have a lot of leftover credit it's probably more worth it to scrap a gas dryer or water heater and switch to electric, as you'll get the full value of your produced solar.

 

[h2ofun]

FWIW I'm on the same basic setup (SCE Prime, 7 kW system, 2 Powerwalls) and my monthly minimum charge varies from $12-13 in the summer months to sometimes $23+ in the winter months (excess attributable to taxes/fees on usage which are a few cents per kWh). My total cost for the year (on month 11 of 12) is -$200 or so. I'll probably end up with a $100 or so in credits disappearing and not much wholesale payment, which is fine with me as it's like $0.02-.03 per kWh, which is not worth it. If you have a lot of leftover credit it's probably more worth it to scrap a gas dryer or water heater and switch to electric, as you'll get the full value of your produced solar.

I just changed my propane dryer to a new electric

 

[mnsweeps]

FWIW I'm on the same basic setup (SCE Prime, 7 kW system, 2 Powerwalls) and my monthly minimum charge varies from $12-13 in the summer months to sometimes $23+ in the winter months (excess attributable to taxes/fees on usage which are a few cents per kWh). My total cost for the year (on month 11 of 12) is -$200 or so. I'll probably end up with a $100 or so in credits disappearing and not much wholesale payment, which is fine with me as it's like $0.02-.03 per kWh, which is not worth it. If you have a lot of leftover credit it's probably more worth it to scrap a gas dryer or water heater and switch to electric, as you'll get the full value of your produced solar.

Good point. I see you have 2 Tesla cars. I also have a Model 3 and a Model Y and charge them after 9 pm.. do your credits / feedback to the grid cover the car charging costs in all months?

 

[flyguyjake]

I am actually surprised SCE so quickly moved me to NEM metering starting Dec 5. I have heard horror stories of it getting delayed by months / a year on some accounts which got PTO way before me..

Yes that's very fast. I waited 2 months from PTO until I began month 1 of 12. Also I requested TOU Prime due to (3) Powerwalls and they put me on TOU 4-9. Also viewing my usage online has been down since they added the NEM. I got 3 billing cycles with "estimated" usage which they won't update with actual usage. They are slow as heck.

 

[flyguyjake]

Switching from TOU 4-9 to TOU Prime would take up to 2 billing cycles they said. Really!

 

[mnsweeps]

Switching from TOU 4-9 to TOU Prime would take up to 2 billing cycles they said. Really!

I am on the TOU-D-PRIME rate since last year when I got the Model 3...

 

[Kodemonkey]

Switching from TOU 4-9 to TOU Prime would take up to 2 billing cycles they said. Really!

I switched to the TOU 5-8 and it happened next billing cycle. I switched to TOU Prime this billing cycle and my cycle is up on Dec 14. I only changed it 2 weeks ago and they said it should switch next cycle. All I know is that my registered HAN device that gets a message sent to it each day through the meter via zig bee changed my rate to $0.00/kWh the next day. I expect it to fix once the rate is in effect. It shouldn’t take that long. But I will follow up next week and let you know. I’ll be a little pissed if it doesn’t change. Right now I’m paying 50% more to charge my model Y.