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As was using cruise control in any of my previous cars ( no trailer either ) in the snow.
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Nervous Nelly [FSD Complaint]
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Consider reporting this to www.nhtsa.gov, the National Highway Traffic Safety Agency, they have an open investigation of "phantom braking".
I requested it be moved, a mod for the subforum it was in agreed with me. The subforum its now in is called "AI, AUTOPILOT and FSD". Your complaint is about autopilot. Specifically, about using autopilot while towing something on snowy roads.
It seems pretty obvious that this goes in the subforum on autopilot discussion.
Gray Man
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While I don't agree with the OP's use case, I do believe this should be an option. It is silly and unfortunate that it wouldn't be. Every other car I've driven with assist features like variable cruise control has the ability to turn this off and act like "dumb" cruise control. That may be what the driver wants.
I'd still not use assist features in a "snowy canyon", but it's really dumb that "dumb" is not an option.
It would be very confusing for the driver if a "dumb" option was added. Right now there is TACC and AP. TACC is adaptive cruise control, and AP is TACC with autosteer (lane centering).
You currently press down on the stalk (or press the right wheel) once to enable TACC. You press down twice to engage AP. If you abort AP by moving the steering wheel (to take over), it drops down to TACC. Pressing the brake or pulling up on the stalk will disengage the system completely.
How would you enable "dumb" cruise control? And how would it be made clear in the interface that you're in dumb cruise control. I could see drivers being confused which system is enabled and expecting the car to steer when it won't, or expecting it to brake when it won't.
You currently press down on the stalk (or press the right wheel) once to enable TACC. You press down twice to engage AP. If you abort AP by moving the steering wheel (to take over), it drops down to TACC. Pressing the brake or pulling up on the stalk will disengage the system completely.
How would you enable "dumb" cruise control? And how would it be made clear in the interface that you're in dumb cruise control. I could see drivers being confused which system is enabled and expecting the car to steer when it won't, or expecting it to brake when it won't.
Nobody has pointed out yet that Autopilot is not designed to be used on undivided highways where traffic is coming at you from the other way or turning across the lane ahead of you. An argument can be made that Tesla shouldn't allow you to enable it in those locations, but they do. And, as you've found, you're going to get more phantom braking incidents as a result.
Daniel in SD
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I think he was using only TACC.
They really should dial back the phantom braking when not using Autosteer.
ElectricAnt54
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Gray Man
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So, like auto stuff would be a chinese milker, but instead I guess King is into "manual stuff" on his own??Auto stuff.
Autopilot = Rose Madder
FSD Beta = The Stand
Future FSD = The Gunslinger
Also, RIP so many snippy posts here.
to the original poster, search here and on google for "phantom braking". Its a known problem with Tesla's "self" driving features/functionality. There is also at least one (actually, more) legal action against Tesla about this issue.
electrek.co
Tesla faces class-action lawsuit over Autopilot's phantom braking problem
Tesla is facing a new proposed class-action lawsuit over the phantom braking problem that has been plaguing Autopilot for years...
electrek.co
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speaking of, was using AP (whatever the current version is) last night along I-95 east coast corridor. Even with various construction zones, cones, jersey walls, various repainted lines (lanes had shifted a few feet in certain places from their original location) that were new, but the old lines were still very slightly visible in some places, I must say it performed well. (credit where it is due). Few observations:
- Even with a counterweight in place, (and still paying full attention to the road) the steering nags remained, but sometimes 10-20 mins between nags. Appears that if the road is mainly totally straight/no turns, the steering weight isnt always detected. Either way, not a complaint, an observation.
- The only phantom braking (again,it was at night, so no shadows on the roadway) incident that occurred was actually more of an emergency braking situation. Was cruising along just fine on a straight portion of the highway in the left lane. No one in front, and the car behind me was maybe 10-15 car lengths back. As I approached an 18 wheeler in the lane directly to the right of me I began passing it normally (i was at about 70mph, the 18 wheeler appeared to be maybe 65mph) and about halfway past the 18 wheeler, the emergency braking kicked in, it attempted to steer the car gently but quickly to the left emergency lane while simultaneously giving off the AEB type sounds and telling me to immediately take control. Wasnt scary (took me maybe 1/2 second or less to take control) but considering that I had passed a number of semi's with zero issue, could not figure out what triggered that event seemingly out of nowhere.
Like a phantom.
- Even with a counterweight in place, (and still paying full attention to the road) the steering nags remained, but sometimes 10-20 mins between nags. Appears that if the road is mainly totally straight/no turns, the steering weight isnt always detected. Either way, not a complaint, an observation.
- The only phantom braking (again,it was at night, so no shadows on the roadway) incident that occurred was actually more of an emergency braking situation. Was cruising along just fine on a straight portion of the highway in the left lane. No one in front, and the car behind me was maybe 10-15 car lengths back. As I approached an 18 wheeler in the lane directly to the right of me I began passing it normally (i was at about 70mph, the 18 wheeler appeared to be maybe 65mph) and about halfway past the 18 wheeler, the emergency braking kicked in, it attempted to steer the car gently but quickly to the left emergency lane while simultaneously giving off the AEB type sounds and telling me to immediately take control. Wasnt scary (took me maybe 1/2 second or less to take control) but considering that I had passed a number of semi's with zero issue, could not figure out what triggered that event seemingly out of nowhere.
Like a phantom.
I think people would be less snippy when posters looking for suggestions or to vent aren't so intractable wrt to their position. "I've always done it this way" just sounds a bit silly when you replay it in your head. No debate Autopilot/FSD need improvements, and it's good to hear anecdotes from others (from my perspective anyhow), but not when they're anchored in unsafe behavior or unrealistic expectations.
There is one aspect that does continue to come out in many of these AP threads, and that's a "dumb" cruise control that just locks on a speed and removes all the auto braking and slowdown functions. I would be willing to bet however that it simply opens another can of worms and torrent of complaints.
Togg, you mentioned about towing. You may want to re-calibrate your cameras after you attached your tow as it may affect your cameras view angles. Also, I think most of the phantom breaking are due to the collision detection software, and not the cruise portion. A tow may sway relative to the back end of the car, hence the views of the two side back view camera.
If the driver wanted a dumb cruise control, then the driver should buy a car with dumb cruise control. Tesla does not offer it and it goes against the entire design philosophy of the car, which is to make it more automated, not less.
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