Needsdecaf
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it’s not at all uncommon on cars today. Honda / Acura and Lincoln are huge adopters of it. So is Aston Martin.
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New 2021 Model S Unveiled January 27, 2021
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it’s not at all uncommon on cars today. Honda / Acura and Lincoln are huge adopters of it. So is Aston Martin.
Needsdecaf
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I think people are looking at this all wrong. It's not very likely that you're going to spin this steering device very far past 90 degrees in either direction. Likely, the amount that the actual wheels steer left or right relative to the rotation of the yoke will change based on speed via software. It might also be a curve vs. linear relationship. Think fly-by-wire, not mechanical.
Needsdecaf
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The steering modes in the 3 have NOTHING to do with ratio. Only steering assist effort.
You are describing an actively variable ratio setup. Which is quite complex. It has been done and almost universally panned due to lack of consistent response.
That new steering yoke is not going to work “sensibly” unless it is lock-to-lock, at 90 degree turns of the yoke or maybe 180 degrees (either of which would be scary).
What I am wondering about regarding the steering yoke is what happens if you lose power on the road? Without power steering assist, with a low steering ratio, it may be impossible to turn that yoke and keep from scrambling your eggs on a concrete abutment. The brakes will still work, but having no way to effectively turn the car at highway speed or any speed, may not be much fun. Forget about pulling over to the shoulder. The Tesla geniuses have to have thought about this contingency, right?
Unless the yoke has a typical steering ratio of multiple wheel turns lock-to-lock. In which case, there is an entirely different set of problems.
Maybe it is drive-by-wire, which is even more scary?
** the typical steering ratio is 12:1 to 20:1.
What I am wondering about regarding the steering yoke is what happens if you lose power on the road? Without power steering assist, with a low steering ratio, it may be impossible to turn that yoke and keep from scrambling your eggs on a concrete abutment. The brakes will still work, but having no way to effectively turn the car at highway speed or any speed, may not be much fun. Forget about pulling over to the shoulder. The Tesla geniuses have to have thought about this contingency, right?
Unless the yoke has a typical steering ratio of multiple wheel turns lock-to-lock. In which case, there is an entirely different set of problems.
Maybe it is drive-by-wire, which is even more scary?
** the typical steering ratio is 12:1 to 20:1.
Needsdecaf
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BigNick
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Roughly equivalent to a P85DL when new (read: before gimping of 85 kWh packs.)
Perhaps the wheel is of a modular design, and the half-rectangle yoke can be replaced with a traditional round wheel without removing the airbag to get at the steering shaft nut behind it? Recessed/covered Torx/Hex bolts on the rear of the spokes maybe?
Fast enough that it wouldn't feel like a downgrade from my current P85DL.
If fly-by-wire, I hope it is decoupled from the MCU and has redundancy!
Also - I hope the center pad of the steering wheel is the horn as in the current S. I'd hate to try to have to find that tiny touch-button that looks like a horn in an emergency.
So the interior looks amazing. I'm not too sure about the steering wheel (is it a wheel?), but I will hold off until I can see reviews. However, I think the biggest issue may be price. If you take a look at Lucid right now, comparing the interior and features, I think Tesla is going to have to eventually lower the price on the S again.
That can be said of many things tried 30+ years ago. Technology evolves. Ideas that didn't work out the first time can work out later with better technology.
Wanting one badly and actually buying one are two very different things. No need to tell me to "get over it" as you're assuming I'm going to order one already. I always buy used - let the first owner take the hit in depreciation. I will get a 2021 Plaid in 2024.Bleeding edge tech at higher price, man! The sooner you get over it the better. Hold your money in the stocks while waiting and you might get your next car for free
CaliSurfer
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Where have you seen that - The data I saw said that the technologies from the Model 3 and Model Y are now in use on the new Model S. Where did you see the use of the 18650s?
Elon said it on the conference call last night. S&X will continue to use 18650s for a few years.
Completely stupid. So if the touchscreen dies. You cant move the car. And we rely on the car to guess. Because autopark works so great! And tesla has such a great history of reliable touchscreens
Not touchscreen.
Buttons below wireless charging pads - where a stick shift would effectively be.
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