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New 85kWH battery for my 2013 P85+

Discussion in 'Model S: Battery & Charging' started by Chilam, Jan 13, 2020.

  1. Chaserr

    Chaserr Hyperactive Hyperdrive

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    If only capped cars were getting the new battery. It's not so simple..

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  2. FURY

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    Actually the 85S should be rebadged as 85G or 85 SG seems to my car, at least.

    Thank you very much

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  3. snellenr

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    This thread gives me some hope that I will have the option to have my 6 year old, semi-afflicted (-10% range, no SuC impact) P85’s battery pack replaced under warranty or replaceable for some “reasonable” price.

    Not holding my breath, but I prefer the bubble-front design and having a usably large frunk...
     
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  4. AmpedRealtor

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    I bought this car to last me a while and it would be great to know that we can pay for a new pack if the need arises. Fingers crossed!
     
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  5. emir-t

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    Still waiting for OP to Supercharge. lol
     
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    I've suspected that tesla treats the S/X population as long-term beta testers for things like battery chemistry. I've also suspected that they will actually support us in a way similar to how they've supported the OG roadster population -- every once in a while come out with a newer battery upgrade that's basically an at-cost offering that brings the cars back up to parity with current battery technology.

    For a while, the tesla with the longest range was an OG roadster with an upgraded pack.

    Supporting these "legacy" users / cars is good advertising, especially for things like the truck or the high-end where customers expect support.

    In that theme, I wouldn't be surprised if tesla offers replacement packs to all existing S/X cars basically in perpetuity.

    "sales of packs would eat into their sales of their new cars so they'd never do that" doesn't hold water because populations of people driving a 10 year old S aren't really the same as people thinking of buying a new Y or CyBeRTrUcK.

    Of course, I also still believe in the tooth fairy, so I could be wrong about this too.
     
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  7. Chaserr

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    I think technically this is still true. The R80 Roadster upgrades had almost 400 miles of rated range and Tesla still ahsn't matched it on a newer car. I say "technically" because those packs degraded more quickly than we're used to.
     
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    I was thinking about trying to drive more in a low SOC and try to run it dead close to home so I can charge it. Maybe that might trigger the limited charge warning.
     
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  9. Chilam

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    Waiting for supercharger you clear up! My battery is at 15% now
     
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    Drum roll....
     
  11. Chilam

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    #111 Chilam, Jan 17, 2020
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    Fell asleep but just woke up and arrived with 6% left at 5am in the morning at 25 degrees F with a semi cold battery (had drove 13 mi to warm it up but unfortunately that wasn’t enough. Sorry for the missed opportunity. Also unsure if it is the problem with the supercharger not getting more than 112kW as Plainview, NY SC (Which is suppose to be 150kW max) seems to be having issues lately from what I read. Also unsure is if the Older S is limited to 120kW perhaps because of fuse or the programming - but as you can see below max was only 112kW in this SC session. Cabin temp are set at 72 degrees with driver heated seat on full blast. Here are the results:


    At 6% started with 7kW
    At 15% 77kW
    At 16% 83kW
    At 18% 92 kW
    At 19% 107kW
    At 20% 112kW
    At 25% 107kW
    At 30% 106 kW
    At 34% 104 kW
    At 38% 99 kW
    At 40% 97 kW
    At 42% 96 kW
    At 46% 92 kW
    At 50% 87 kW
    At 52% 83 kW
    At 54% 81 kW
    At 56% 77 kW
    At 60% 72 kW
    At 62% 69 kW
    At 65% 67 kW
    At 67% 65 kW
    At 70% 62 kW
    At 72% 58 kW
    At 75% 54 kW
    At 77% 48 kW
    At 80% 40 kW
    At 81% 36 kW (fan slowed down)
    At 82% 31 kW (fan seems to have stopped - at least not noticeable)
    At 84% 30kW (1 hr has lapsed)
    At 87% 25 kW
    At 90% 22 kW (1 hr 11 min has lapsed with 262 miles rated)

    I will be finishing charging at home to 100%

    Even for the missed opportunity because of the cold battery, one thing we know is this “A” pack is not the same as the old “A” pack that has a different part# and was capped at 100kW. I will be doing more testing at another location (JFK also rated for 120kW - Which I’ve done with my old pack awhile back)

    additional notes:
    1) charging stall used was 3A of Plainview, NY SC
    2) past 5 mi my rated avg consumption is 592 wh/mi
    3) past 15 mi my rates avg consumption is 519 wh/mi
    4) lifetime (since I owned the car at least) is 376 wh/mi over 36689 miles
     
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  12. Rockster

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    Crap! My P85’s pack has died completely and been replaced twice in six months, the most recent time this past November and I missed out on this sweet replacement pack. :(
     
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    Charging at home is still not finished yet. One thing that’s interesting that I just noticed is that at close to 100% I am still getting 14A into the battery. Normally this will fall to about 1A in this late stage of charging.
    67A6E6BA-1C94-4E2B-A9BD-8316AEE05065.png
     
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  14. BrownMS

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    this is way better than I can supercharge, totally jealous
     
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    56957F64-DDBF-46F2-8840-D0535552BB56.png Done charging! Confirmed 289 miles rated as the Tesla app suggested previously!
     
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  16. Droschke

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    Thanks for your informative feedback. Are you the only one who have received this particular battery as replacement?

    Trying to see if this new pack will be the Tesla's choice for all replacements going forward.
     
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  17. Chilam

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    So far, I believe so. At least no one else has come forward.
     
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  18. joltheadq

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    A 350V 85kwh pack for a non-dual motor. What specs are the replacement packs for P85D? 400V 100kwh I assume? Hopefully with better chem...
     
  19. jpvdheijn

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    The miles shown in your screenshot are rated miles?
     
  20. Chilam

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    YES!
     

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