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Discussion in 'Model 3' started by spesler, Jul 16, 2018.
Also, first post!
-- 'P' has the standard "full power" rear LR RWD motor, in addition to new front motor; while
-- LR AWD has a reduced capacity rear motor vs. LR RWD?
Looks like it. Also, official EPA fuel economy numbers are out.
Why does it say 80 amp dual charger?
147kW + 211kW = 358kW for the Performance model - or 480HP - that's more than the most powerful BMW M3 CS with 453HP. And I'm guessing those are conservative numbers... This is gonna be fun.
There're typically errors like this in the spreadsheet, like where is says the 3 LR has regen on both axles (Column 102)
So AWD is 147kW + 188kW for 335kW and PAWD is 147kW + 211kW for 358kW. Performance is not even 10% more power? Seems a bit strange, no?
That's how the S it's configured so it makes sense the 3 is the same.
Looking like the AWD is the BEAST value @ 450HP vs 283HP for the RWD for only $4k more.
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I find the economy numbers a bit odd between the AWD and the P-AWD.
Good first post. Welcome to the board.
That's only part of the story. How many kW can the battery output at peak?
Maybe the AWD battery can't run both motors at max but the PAWD can?
I remember the most out of my 2015 P85D at 90% was around 390Kw. This performance AWD will be a beast. Close to 3.2 seconds real world 0-60 with rollout and no battery conditioning. NICE.
Ok, I am confused. The chart shows the rwd version uses 26 kWh/100 miles, which means about an 80 kw pack. Seems close, but the AWD uses 29 kWh/100 miles and would require a 90 kw pack to get 310 miles? How does that work?
There is a substantial difference from the Model S in that the rear motor in the non-P Model S is physically smaller than Model S P. Here it is the same size motor is both and the D is just having less current run through it. It'll be interesting to see both the P and D run on a dyno to get an idea of the differences in the shape of the power curves that Tesla has programmed for them.
They're physically the same drive units (though lot sorted- with probably doesn't mean much with modern MFG tolerances). It's a software limitation. Mechanically the AWD and the P-AWD are the same car as far as anything Tesla has said.
Also nope- appears to be the same battery pack in all LR cars... (which is 1200 amp max output, and 370kw max output per the earlier hacked battery info- though again those are software limits and could potentially go higher)
It will likely make more. The LR 3 has dynoed at 335 hp to the wheels. More than one dyno result back this up.
Isn’t there more involved with max power output than pack size? I was under the impression that the performance model had beefier electrical components as well.
What gave you that impression?
Elons own tweet states the AWD and P use literally the same drive units, just lot-sorted so that they best-testing ones go in the Ps (but again there's little reason to think the difference from best to worst is much)
If they were in any way physically not the same components then sorting them would make no sense.
There was one Musk Tweet that you could parse that way but overall it doesn't seem to fit. It's more-so that they are the same parts "binned" separately that means the ones for the P work very marginally better and thus likely to stand up to the stress of intense use better.
The components aren't going to be able to create power that doesn't come from the battery pack. The best they can do is "not get in the way", and the EPA efficiency numbers suggest the difference in the regards in nil.