I haven't looked into this much, but at least for smart meter customers, the dual rate looks very attractive.
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8p long night weekdays and all weekend I think.
GoElectric Quote
8p long night weekdays and all weekend I think.
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We have this. Initially we were put onto a flat rate 12.5p tariff in early March - they don't seem to be able to switch you over straight away to the dual rate. I had to call them once the smart meter was working properly. After that, we went through the set-up process again and got switched from the May21 to Aug21 fix without penalty and this seems to have reduced the gas further.
We have solar panels (with 8kW max output) so the overnight rate is working very well at the moment, we're importing very little at daytime rate. Over the summer due to FiT payments, our electricity cost should be below zero. We have a garden pond with an air source heat pump, a PHEV, and the Model 3. We get our first bill later this month and we'll be able to see how much we're saving. Our gas + electricity bill before we got solar was huge, currently we're paying barely half of what we were. It won't really be clear until we've had a full year, and the cars are being used much less than normal still due to corona, so it may go up a bit once normality is restored.
garden pond with an air source heat pump
My understanding is that the FIT contract cannot be altered without your consent. Like you, I’m on deemed export and I want to keep it that way!Your setup is similar to mine. Very similar actually - although we are electric only. (+ oil boiler)
Looked attractive to be able to run heatpump weekend daytime, as well as 9pm to bedtime.
I don't have a smart meter (just dual rate) because the tariffs I looked at all worked better with my solar PV / battery storage using E7. I like a simple tarif where I know what I'm paying, and GoElectric dual rate looks perfect.
What was the delay in switching you to the Dual Rate (is it likely to effect all new installs?) and have you any concerns / regrets about going Smart Meter? Are your FIT payments already with EDF? I saw some slightly concerning small print on a different contact that suggested to me there is a move eventually to get FIT payments adjusted to be based on actual export rater than deemed export - which would be quite a negative for me - and that by having the Smart Meter installed I agreed to my FIT contact transferring to EDF (which might give them chance to change my contRact terms).
My (dream) objective while I still get FIT payments is to try and have net zero energy cost (apart from equipment purchase) as psychologically that woud feel great to drive (13k miles), heat and cook for no onging energy cost. With the heatpump and 8p / unit, you are paying about 3p / kwh which beats gas quite decently and for me is a huge win if the oil boiler never needs to fire up. In winter we sometimes have the stove lit which adds another 3-4 kw to the thermal store, so quite a decent energy supply of around 12kw continuous.
Your setup is similar to mine. Very similar actually - although we are electric only. (+ oil boiler)
Looked attractive to be able to run heatpump weekend daytime, as well as 9pm to bedtime.
I don't have a smart meter (just dual rate) because the tariffs I looked at all worked better with my solar PV / battery storage using E7. I like a simple tarif where I know what I'm paying, and GoElectric dual rate looks perfect.
What was the delay in switching you to the Dual Rate (is it likely to effect all new installs?) and have you any concerns / regrets about going Smart Meter? Are your FIT payments already with EDF? I saw some slightly concerning small print on a different contact that suggested to me there is a move eventually to get FIT payments adjusted to be based on actual export rater than deemed export - which would be quite a negative for me - and that by having the Smart Meter installed I agreed to my FIT contact transferring to EDF (which might give them chance to change my contRact terms).
My (dream) objective while I still get FIT payments is to try and have net zero energy cost (apart from equipment purchase) as psychologically that woud feel great to drive (13k miles), heat and cook for no onging energy cost. With the heatpump and 8p / unit, you are paying about 3p / kwh which beats gas quite decently and for me is a huge win if the oil boiler never needs to fire up. In winter we sometimes have the stove lit which adds another 3-4 kw to the thermal store, so quite a decent energy supply of around 12kw continuous.
only (back of envelope calculation) £64 worse off with metered export.
It's not the cheapest tariff out there but I can see the attraction of the entire weekend being entirely off-peak.
Interestingly despite already having a SMETS 1 meter EDF wouldn't offer me the dual rate just the easily beatable single rate.
I just ran a quote for my post code with Go Electric and it’s more expensive than the current Bulb one I’m on.
Be careful with EDF. They confirmed I was switched in September last year but it turns out in March that they never did and since then they have still not switched despite at least three calls and having a smart meter installed by EDF.
In the end I said unless they switched me and back dated then I was switching suppliers. The "dedicated support agent" has been working on it for a month and still nothing...so I can't recommend them unless you want to be on their standard tariff without being told!
are much lower than the off-peak price for EDF
I don’t need to check or worry about it. I use the ev.energy app to automatically optimise the times for charging. The only other thing I do is to not put the tumble dryer on between 4 and 7 in the evening unless I really need to.Realistically, how would you state your overall off-peak rate and duration? I like the idea of Agile if I win, but feel that the onus on me to keep checking for the optimal time for charging would negate much of the benefit. How do you rationalise your tariff to be able to use it simply and meeting your schedule?
At 8p per kwhr all weekend and 9pm to 7am I think that would offset the increased off peak compared with my current 6p E7.
I used to be on an earlier version of this tariff with EDF and had smart meters installed to support it. EDF were unable to provide daily usage graphs showing my consumption during the various periods for me to easily work out what I was spending on car charging. That’s what prompted me to go Octopus Agile. I now get very detailed consumption information down to 30 minute intervals and average unit prices that are much lower than the off-peak price for EDF.
More evidence of EDF being useless this week.
It took them a while to sort out the initial meter reading as I'd previously said. They said it was all sorted, some time ago, before we then switched to the dual tariff.
Now they've come back with "our opening reading doesn't match your previous supplier's closing reading". This is now more than four months after we switched, and they apparently have no idea how much to bill us. "We're working with them to agree a reading". Translation: "We're wasting their time".
Nothing will change, because the closing reading from British Gas was from the smart meter. They haven't even paid us the courtesy of telling us what they think the readings are, so we can compare with the reading we took. Which they wouldn't accept back then, because we have a smart meter...