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New Generation 3 Wall Connector
- Thread starter Xebec
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This is cool for future proofing if you haven’t bought/installed gen 2. Or maybe down the line if you plan on getting/have the solar/power wall combo.
But I don’t see a reason to upgrade, at all.
The WiFi “benefits” can be accomplished when your car is attached via app.
Comparing a wall connector to an air conditioning unit is silly. The HPWC is not drawing any major power unless you are charging your vehicle, and the onboard computer can easily handle OTA updates/features, etc.
But I don’t see a reason to upgrade, at all.
The WiFi “benefits” can be accomplished when your car is attached via app.
Comparing a wall connector to an air conditioning unit is silly. The HPWC is not drawing any major power unless you are charging your vehicle, and the onboard computer can easily handle OTA updates/features, etc.
Interesting. Max power is 60A/48A for the Gen3 vs 100A/80A for the Gen2. Guess this means there won’t be future Teslas with higher rates of charge. Figured the 80A output in a Gen2 was for future proofing. :shrug:
Personally, I prefer the Gen2. Lower profile, longer cable, and comes in black.
You can always add a cord.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/smart-choice-6-50-amp-4-prong-range-cord-black/3921073.p?skuId=3921073
Interesting. Max power is 60A/48A for the Gen3 vs 100A/80A for the Gen2. Guess this means there won’t be future Teslas with higher rates of charge. Figured the 80A output in a Gen2 was for future proofing. :shrug:
Personally, I prefer the Gen2. Lower profile, longer cable, and comes in black.
You can always add a cord.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/smart-choice-6-50-amp-4-prong-range-cord-black/3921073.p?skuId=3921073
Yah I suppose are they easy to pop open and change out the supply cable. I imagine it would just be terminal lugs. And I assume it is easy to set to max 40 amps. It might be a problem if the supply cord just came out the back. Hmmmm.
It depends on your needs/uses. Where in the app does it currently let me track power used over time?
Also, if you have people using the WC that aren't on your Tesla account you wouldn't get any data for them would you?
I suspect an upgrade will be most valuable for people with Powerwalls.
Black306
Active Member
There is no supply cable to change out. It’s a matter of installing a plug vs installing hardwire coming from the wall. Presumably, if a plug was being used, the wiring would come out the top or bottom. Wiring would only go out the back when hard wired. And yes, the Wall Connector can be set to 50A breaker/40A output to limit power through a 14-50 outlet.
My Wall Connector is setup with a plug.
So first of all thank you for answering my questions.
I’m not sure I understand the way the HPWC is configured. Does it come with no pigtail and you just attached the prefab cable to internal lugs or did you have to remove an existing pigtail.
Please take me to school here. It won’t be a panic when we get the car as we have a Juicebox right now but this will happen sooner or later soooo
Too late to edit my previous post. To be clear, we already have a 14-50 receptacle for the Juicebox. So keeping it simple, what will I have to do to be able to plug in a HPWC
Here is Tesla's installation detail for the HPWC
I haven't looked very closely at the Gen 3, but the Gen 2 is a hard-wire configuration (no plug). Tesla used to sell a Wall Connector with a 14-50 plug, but your peak charging amperage is limited (compared to hard-wired, assuming proper wiring). And it is no longer available.
So @Black306 either has one of the Wall Connectors with the 14-50 lead OR had theirs wired with a plug (though I would be surprised if it were the latter)
Good morning.
I believe Black installed a cord on his HPWC which is what I am considering. I am essentially asking how that went for him.
I am aware of the corded connecter but get the impression it is no longer available.
Thank you for the reply though.
I’m pretty sure it’s easier to update an app to get usage over time data than to create a new gen 3 piece of hardware. I’m also pretty sure the same app could give you total use of your HPWC from any user that connects. They literally have to write the code to give you this same info over WiFi anyway.
WiFi on a unit that only operates when connected to a vehicle with WiFi is redundant.
Again, IF you currently have nothing, and gen 2/gen 3 are priced about the same, it’s a no brainer to get the newest version. But this is a not a must have upgrade, even if it was a simple install.
Unless you plan on having 16 vehicles to charge at the same time, lol.
That makes the target audience extremely limited and situational for this product.
Idk, it just seems weird to spend resources on producing new hardware when they have plenty of software and production issues with current products they could be working through.
Maybe I missed countless threads of people up in arms about needing a shorter cord that provides less amps for the same price?
Sorry - I wasn't sure if you knew about that. A lot of people don't.
Awesome!
You never could daisy chain the power connections.
That setup you are talking about is not daisy chained power. The power connections would still work the same way, whether it is a version 2 or version 3. You can branch them from that box if you make that box be a small subpanel or junction box. That's how these are done. Daisy chaining means that you run one single power line into Wall Connector 1 and then out of it to Wall connector 2. They have never worked that way. You have always needed to branch the connections at some point father upstream with a subpanel or junction box and then run a power line to each connector. There is no difference with that in the version 3.
So it is certainly not a solution looking for a problem. It completely eliminates an extra wiring run that used to have to be done before with the twisted pair for the communication. That part is now wireless, so the wall connectors don't need a physical connection directly between them anymore.
eladts
Member
The lower output and shorter cord means this is much cheaper to produce. Being able to load balance more units will make it valuable to large charger installs. Imagine the underground parking lot of a high-rise building with many Tesla owners. It is not practical to tie each wall connector to the meter of a specific apartment and if all of them will pull full power at the same time they will overload the power connection to the building. With the new units you just connect them all to the same panel and limit their total output. You use the WiFi to track usage and handle billing. Presumably, you don't even need assigned parking spaces as the cars communicate their VIN to the Wall Connectors.