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New Jag SUV and charging speed?

Discussion in 'Electric Vehicles' started by JenniferQ, Nov 14, 2016.

  1. JenniferQ

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    That's more like 200amps or 50kw. Maybe 80% in 90mins on a 50kw CHAdeMO charger, but definitely not on a home charger.
     
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    Link does not work. Overload? Here are some pictures from AutoCar.

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    Fast charging now is 50 kW, but according to Jaguar the car is 150 kW capable when the new fast chargers arrive, eventually. I am not quite sure if they mean cars can be retrofitted.
     
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    Here's the link from Jalopnik: http://jalopnik.com/the-jaguar-i-pace-concept-is-the-sexiest-electric-suv-a-1788976795

    This seems wrong though:

    Isn't that significantly worse than an X90D in every way, except maybe 0-60?
     
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    From what I'm reading this morning the Jag has several interesting points of comparison with the X:

    In favour of Jag:
    - Better fit and finish, better materials, etc. (more "luxurious") let's be honest, this is not Tesla's strong suit
    - Cost, Jag hasn't released numbers, but they have stated they're going to undercut Tesla (this could be huge for some people)

    Mostly a wash:
    - similar range, doesn't get quite to the same range as the X, but it's still a long range vehicle and quite acceptable for that purpose
    - 0-60 is similar, 4 seconds is nothing to scoff at
    - Interior cargo room, technically less, but in reality the official cargo room in the X isn't as practical as that shown in the Jag
    - Smaller size (this is personal preference, but many people do find the X and S to be too big)

    In favour of Tesla:
    - slower charging (for now) at only 50kW it can't compete with superchargers, but 150kW can. The 2 questions will be if that 150 really happens any time soon, and if there ends up being a reasonable charge network to support it. My guess is no in the short term, but yes in the long term.
    - more seats (6 or 7 vs 5) but keep in mind that not everyone cares about that, and there was actually quite a bit of outcry that Tesla wouldn't allow removal of the 3rd row for more storage
    - no autopilot. It will likely have some lane keeping ability and such, but we don't yet know how much.

    Overall, I'd say It's a worthy competitor. It won't work for everyone, but at less money for more luxury without really sacrificing range, or acceleration, I'm sure there will be a few takers. That's not to say that it's better than the X, but I suspect it will sell.
     
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    This is what the Model X could have been.
     
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    And it's hard to say if that would be good or bad. They each have their strengths, and will appeal to different people.
     
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    Excellent.
     
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    I forgot to add:
    In favour of jag:
    - No falcon wing doors, sure they're neat, they attract crowds and everything, but they're a maintenance nightmare, and not actually practical in the real world.
     
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    It has a grill!

    Very nice design. Here is Engadget's picture which gives an idea of the "aggressive" design:

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    #11 Vitold, Nov 15, 2016
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    This is a competitor to Model Y not X.

    The car looks weird from the front (hopefully it's just lighting):

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    Many people vehemently disagree with your critique of FWD , I am not one of them.

    For me the attract crowd factor is also a negative.

    I have yet to understand the practicality of them.

    Tesla has gone to great lengths to automate mundane things liking eliminating a start button and a door locking buttons, and pushed ahead with autopilot, but then added FWDs and in doing so added back a lot of mundane waiting and checking back into the mix.
     
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    Two words: British electrics. lol

    Seriously, this is great news, since it's a clear signal that sustainable energy is picking up pace. Also, competition is a good thing. And to my eye, this Jag looks fantastic, even better than the X.
     
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    If that's the case, then Tesla should be scared, because they haven't even announced a Model Y yet.

    No, I don't buy that for a moment. This is a high end luxury vehicle, it competes at the high end, not the low end where Y is expected to be. They aren't in the same market.
     
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    Jag isn't exactly known for reliability, and then there's the whole lucas wiring thing that gives all british cars a poor reputation for electrics. But that said, Tesla also isn't known for reliability, especially the Model X, so I don't think we can read much in to that one.
    Exactly. This is solid competition. It isn't "better in every way" or anything, but it's a viable alternative for some people. That's where competition starts, and honestly that's most competition, not "light years better" but simply a bit different.

    Now that said, we can't read too much in to the final product from the concept, we've all seen where that can lead, but it's a definite positive sign.
     
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    #16 Vitold, Nov 15, 2016
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    Model Y will share Model 3 platform, and will probably be available sooner than this Jag.

    EDIT: here's a feature that Model Y will be missing:

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    Source? There's a posted date for when the Jag will be available (2018) along with a prototype that the press has seen. Neither of the above apply to the Model Y
    Not to mention the fact that one is an economy focused crossover, and the other is a luxury crossover.
     
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    Model 3 is competing with BMW 3 series which is not a "economy focused" car. It's safe to assume that Model Y will be the same. EM said that 3 and Y will be built on the same line. Model 3 platform will also be used for new version of Roadster.
     
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    Does the BMW 3 series compete with the BMW 7 series? will the X compete with the Y?
    If you agree that those aren't the case, then why would an S compete with a 3 series? Why would this compete with the Y? This is targeted at the top of the market.
     
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    Size is the differentiating factor. Size dictates functionality, comfort and safety. This Jag looks smaller in every dimension compared to Model X.
     

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