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It looks like you may not be familiar with the follow up on this specific case. There was a driver in the driver's seat.what about this one?
A Tesla crash results in two deaths, police believe no one was in the driver's seat
A Tesla vehicle crashed into a tree and caught on fire in Houston this weekend – resulting in two deaths....electrek.co
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“Driverless” Tesla crash in Texas wasn’t actually driverless, NTSB says
Local police originally said no one was behind the wheel.
www.theverge.com
Driver was behind wheel at time of Texas Tesla crash, NTSB says
Both the driver and a passenger were in the front seats with belts buckled, the NTSB found. Texas authorities previously said that "no one was driving the car."
www.nbcnews.com
It looks like you may not be familiar with the follow up on this specific case. There was a driver in the driver's seat.
“Driverless” Tesla crash in Texas wasn’t actually driverless, NTSB says
Local police originally said no one was behind the wheel.
Driver was behind wheel at time of Texas Tesla crash, NTSB says
Both the driver and a passenger were in the front seats with belts buckled, the NTSB found. Texas authorities previously said that "no one was driving the car."
You are right, I am not. Thanks for the correction.
That doesnt change my opinion that saying "I am a safe driver who feels they dont need to look at the road to drive" is a contradictory statement, though. I should have said "accidents" instead of deaths, so got out a little over my ski's on that part.
Thanks for the correction on that part (I mean that sincerely, its not sarcasm).
The camera is now enabled precisely because people started going out and buying wheel weights so they didn't have to hold the steering wheel, despite that they were told they need to hold the wheel.
The FSDb warning is even more specific, you NEED to hold the wheel and pay attention because FSDb can do dumb stuff and holding the wheel means your ready.
But we continue to see videos ofmoro../drivers post videos of how FSD drove them into the curb etc etc
Every single one of those videos shows the "driver" not holding the wheel or usually not having hands anywhere near the wheel, but we just end up having to read posts about how bad FSDb is.
Posted this before, but its still relevant. There are countless posts of FSDb doing something stupid. But my car has not once succeeded in changing lanes when it shouldn't, its never run a stop sign, its never curbed a wheel. Its never done any of things I've seen posted about. Its certainly tried, many times but I've always stopped it because my hands are right there on the steering wheel and I can feel exactly what the car is trying to do.
If someone thinks its safe to use a wheel weight, check their phone or take in the scenery while driving with FSDb then my advice would be to turn it off now and leave it turned off until its out of safety score beta. This isn't like autopilot which has retained its beta tag, this is a real beta not ready for primetime yet.
The FSDb warning is even more specific, you NEED to hold the wheel and pay attention because FSDb can do dumb stuff and holding the wheel means your ready.
But we continue to see videos of
Every single one of those videos shows the "driver" not holding the wheel or usually not having hands anywhere near the wheel, but we just end up having to read posts about how bad FSDb is.
Posted this before, but its still relevant. There are countless posts of FSDb doing something stupid. But my car has not once succeeded in changing lanes when it shouldn't, its never run a stop sign, its never curbed a wheel. Its never done any of things I've seen posted about. Its certainly tried, many times but I've always stopped it because my hands are right there on the steering wheel and I can feel exactly what the car is trying to do.
If someone thinks its safe to use a wheel weight, check their phone or take in the scenery while driving with FSDb then my advice would be to turn it off now and leave it turned off until its out of safety score beta. This isn't like autopilot which has retained its beta tag, this is a real beta not ready for primetime yet.
Per Tesla, you do not need to "hold the wheel". In fact, they have intentionally configured the software to allow you to simply change the stereo volume one notch up or down, via scroll wheel in order to acknowledge that you are paying attention/to shut up the AP nag feature.
And let me be clear...the main reason for me constantly still looking forward at the road and paying full attention (including on AP when Im using the weight), is primarily due to me not wanting to damage my (kinda) pricey aftermarket wheels nor wanting to run over anything that's going to cost me $24k to replace the battery pack. Im not looking ahead for any other reason as the AP actually does well noticing cars, trucks, etc. The big things.
But yes, Im absolutely looking ahead and paying full attention, if for reasons that are selfish
There's no need to debate how safe or unsafe it is for people to look away or not. Nor is past accident record relevant. Tesla requires certain behavior right now to use FSDb. If you're not cool with it, relinquish it. Or wait until you strike out. either way, result is the same.
to be clear - not saying wheel weights are the devils spawn.
Regular Autopilot is well sorted by now and doesn't need constant nannying, just like the OP says.
But FSDb isn't that. It really does attempt ridiculous things sometimes and really does need constant attention.
Looking away to checkout the wildflowers will find you with $500 worth of rim repairs from a curb scrape when it cuts a corner. Its come uncomfortably close to curbs for me and that's with me always holding the wheel so I can feel what its up to.
One suggestion for @Rhinomike is to setup a second profile then use one with FSDb enabled and leave the other profile with it disabled, that way the normalcy of AP and no interior camera can be retained on demand.
Regular Autopilot is well sorted by now and doesn't need constant nannying, just like the OP says.
But FSDb isn't that. It really does attempt ridiculous things sometimes and really does need constant attention.
Looking away to checkout the wildflowers will find you with $500 worth of rim repairs from a curb scrape when it cuts a corner. Its come uncomfortably close to curbs for me and that's with me always holding the wheel so I can feel what its up to.
One suggestion for @Rhinomike is to setup a second profile then use one with FSDb enabled and leave the other profile with it disabled, that way the normalcy of AP and no interior camera can be retained on demand.
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