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New Model Y details from supposed internal documents

Discussion in 'Model Y' started by 11thIndian, Dec 3, 2018.

  1. Magellan55

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    I swear the cream interior S with the light oak feels like it was taken right out of a Volvo. The simple clean lines of the dash even more so.
     
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    Praying for a 7-seater.
     
  3. MrMannilow

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    I jumped on the M3 for the tax incentives. I have an SUV already however if the Y is all it's made out to be I'd likely switch out of the 3 into the Y. But still so far out...
     
  4. 11thIndian

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    Delivery seems like a long way away (and it is if you think 18 months is a long time), which is why I'm staying focused on the near-term goal of the March unveiling. Less than 3 months now! At least you're currently driving a Tesla!
     
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    I typically get a new car every two years or so. So by the time the Y comes out I'll be close to trading up anyway. I'm just glad I pulled my original M3 reservation so I didn't feel like I was waiting 2 years lol. And the white interior is A++++
     
  6. ElGuapoGuano

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    For us, we don't want more seats blocking the cargo room. My GF just really wants a hatchback so we can haul some things. Before I got my Model 3 I had a Subaru XV Crosstrek, and it was nice to be able to move objects that don't fit in a standard trunked sedan. My GF has a couple years left on her current car loan, but when it's paid off, we're getting another hatchback. It will either be a Model Y, or a used S. Haven't decided yet, depends on config and pricing of the Y when it's shown off.
     
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    Ironic post - and full of crap.

    Before I got my Model S, I had a Ford Explorer Sport - that was a mistake to buy. First, while child seat did fit in the second row, it essentially made access to the third row impossible. Second, the headroom was also a problem compared to my wife's Subaru Forester - I actually banged my kid's head because of the lack of headroom. Third, the 3rd row was barely tolerable - but better than the competition I compared it to: Infiniti QXsomething, BMW X5 with the 3rd row option, Audi Q7 and a few others. Fourth, Ford's "Quality is job Number 1" - is far from reality given all the issues (build problems, driver's foot room, exhaust fumes entering the cabin, etc).

    If Tesla opted to make it more of a minivan style, it would still be a keeper - SUVs shy of behemoths like the Chevy Suburban are horrible compromises at best. Hopefully, they can make a people and cargo mover actually cool compared to the minivans that have been made in the past.
     
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  8. Swampgator

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    Tesla does not aim at the top 10 for overall sales. They look at the top 1-3 segment leaders, and then set out to beat them in every category.
    So, since this will be a small luxury SUV, they will be aiming at: BMW X3, Audi Q3 and Q5, MB GLC, and the Alfa Romeo Stelvio.
    They will NOT be using a Ford Explorer or a Jeep Grand Cherokee as any sort of target. Thankfully ;)
     
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  9. TrevTremaine

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    I hope Tesla doesn't follow the suppository shape of the Q3 or X3. The MB had a nice interior but little else, and Alfa will probably have quality issues given it's parentage. The Japanese and Korean compact SUVs are well thought out and durable - will Tesla be able to do it all? I'll be happy if Tesla doesn't follow the likes of Ford, GM and Chrysler.
     
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  10. Xenoilphobe

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    So we are basically going to get a vehicle with little to no cargo room or a little better than a VW golf with AWD. No thanks. I would aim to exceed the dimensions of a CRV or RAV4. If not just going to keep my Used S until the wheels fall off.
    X3 Q3 Yuck.
     
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    #51 Vitold, Dec 30, 2018
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    Based on hunch and little else I think that model Y will be like Subaru Crosstrek is to Impreza. And, if it comes with 7 seats, 2 of them will be facing rear.

    Basically Tesla needs to lift model 3 , add a hatch and use as many model 3 parts as possible.

    On the other hand I remember Musk saying that trying to share X parts with S was a mistake so maybe it will be entirely new car.

    Personally think that Model 3 platform is just too good for just one car but it is not a good fit for larger SUV or real 7 seater.
     
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    #52 Xenoilphobe, Dec 30, 2018
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    #53 Xenoilphobe, Dec 30, 2018
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    Top segment leader is Toyota RAV4.. in 28th place is the MB GLC and the rest you listed above are way below that...Also none of those are Mid-Sized SUV's, they are considered Compact SUV's.

    November 2018 YTD U.S. SUV And Crossover Sales Rankings – Every SUV Ranked

    Small And Midsize Luxury SUV Sales In America – November 2018 | GCBC

    COMPACT SIZE Luxury SUV Market
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    US US LY % Change YTD YTD LY % Change
    Acura RDX 5,951 3,775 57.6 56,742 46,487 22.1
    Alfa Romeo Stelvio 1,034 657 57.4 10,980 1,724 536.9
    Audi Q5 5,889 5,467 7.7 61,835 50,109 23.4
    BMW X3 5,451 3,087 76.6 52,840 36,408 45.1
    BMW X4 481 541 -11.1 3,711 4,660 -20.4
    Infiniti QX50 3,009 1,622 85.5 22,060 15,072 46.4
    Jaguar E-Pace 479 0 0.0 5,258 0 0.0
    Jaguar I-Pace 165 0 0.0 170 0 0.0
    Land Rover Discovery Sport 1,248 1,209 3.2 10,523 12,721 -17.3
    Land Rover Range Rover Evoque 1,329 910 46.0 8,323 10,724 -22.4
    Lexus NX 5,622 5,404 4.0 53,315 51,931 2.7
    Lincoln MKC 2,263 2,037 11.1 23,467 24,544 -4.4
    Mercedes-Benz GLC-Class 6,199 5,357 15.7 62,435 42,491 46.9
    Porsche Macan 2,101 1,981 6.1 21,609 19,985 8.1
    Volvo XC60 3,227 1,977 63.2 29,302 20,095 45.8
    Total 44,448 Total 34,024 Total 422,570 Total 336,951

    The Mid-Sized Luxury SUV market:
    Acura MDX 4,422 5,341 -17.2 45,564 48,810 -6.7
    Audi Q7 2,971 3,292 -9.8 33,387 33,508 -0.4
    Audi Q8 943 0 0.0 1,104 0 0.0
    BMW X5 5,191 5,515 -5.9 37,690 43,968 -14.3
    BMW X6 696 799 -12.9 6,379 5,775 10.5
    Infiniti QX60 5,151 3,759 37.0 40,338 36,346 11.0
    Infiniti QX70 8 268 -97.0 950 6,586 -85.6
    Jaguar F-Pace 1,632 1,450 12.6 11,402 17,530 -35.0
    Land Rover Discovery / LR4 714 819 -12.8 8,805 5,360 64.3
    Land Rover Range Rover Sport 2,259 1,282 76.2 21,594 17,701 22.0
    Land Rover Range Rover Velar 1,403 1,475 -4.9 15,482 4,046 282.6
    Lexus GX 2,369 2,432 -2.6 23,402 23,865 -1.9
    Lexus RX 10,248 10,102 1.4 98,414 94,356 4.3
    Lincoln MKT 109 161 -32.3 2,053 2,819 -27.2
    Lincoln MKX/Nautilus 3,153 2,619 20.4 25,209 28,055 -10.1
    Mercedes-Benz GLE-Class 3,988 4,914 -18.8 42,276 48,772 -13.3
    Porsche Cayenne 1,294 1,347 -3.9 9,723 12,263 -20.7
    Tesla Model X 3,200 2,000 60.0 23,150 19,600 18.1
    Volvo XC90
     
  14. Xenoilphobe

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    I just compared the VW Allroad to the Model S cargo specs -- it is larger than the Model S Specs too.. this would make a perfect Model 3 platform to beat....


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    OK, so we are calling the target class compact luxury SUVs. I can agree to that premise.
    The top cars on that list are all cars that I mentioned. I did leave off the Acura RDX. I always forget about Acura. They do make fine cars. Tesla will not be bench-marking against a VW. Period. And I'm glad for that.
    People do not aspire to own VWs. Tesla is an aspirational brand and they know this.
    People aspire to own BMWs, Mercedes, and Audis. And for that reason those are Teslas primary targets.
     
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    I remain very interested in the Y, as I’m thinking it will overcome the biggest issue I have with my 3: the crossbar behind the rear seats. Even with the seats down, that bar reduces practical room in the back, especially for tall dogs. The low and extended glass rear roof edge also makes loading larger luggage into the trunk difficult. For me and my uses, a hatchback Model 3 would be perfection, and I hope the Y will be one. I’d like to keep my Model 3 and the Y might finally get me to sell my 2012 Nissan LEAF. Now if the Y has a heated steering wheel...nirvana.
     
  17. GOVA

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    My guess - the Y will be very similar to 2013-16 Mazda CX-5 in terms of shape/looks.
     
  18. golfpilot

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    I already have a mini SUV electric. It has a Tesla battery and everything.

    Would be really cool if it went 3 times as far, used Tesla Superchargers, two motors, a big screen, autopilot...

    Rav4 size is great. I can get a 8 ft Christmas tree, 55 gallon water heater, or carry my bike without taking wheels off, all thinks I can’t do with my 3. I hope the Y is that size
     
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    My guess is that you will be wrong. The MY will be to the M3 as the MX is to the MS -- a CUV version, just slightly taller than the M3. We won't see the station wagon square back, it's an aerodynamic nightmare. Won't see that until they have room for much more battery.
     
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