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New: Riversimple Rasa hydrogen car

Discussion in 'Electric Vehicles' started by voyager, Feb 17, 2016.

  1. voyager

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    By RAY MASSEY and RYAN O'HARE
    PUBLISHED: 00:01 GMT, 17 February 2016

    Finally, a sleek, affordable British-built hydrogen-powered electric city car has arrived. Hitting the roads from today, the electric car will reduce emissions, with just water coming from its exhaust, and it even has DeLorean-style gull wing doors. Called Rasa, the green vehicle runs on electricity generated by hydrogen fuel cells and gives the equivalent of '250 miles to the gallon', according to its backers.

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    This goes to show the lengths you have to go to make a hydrogen car that has anything close to the efficiency of a BEV.

    One kg of hydrogen takes about 60 kWh to produce, compress and cool, so with 1.5 kg of hydrogen, that 300 miles range takes about 90 kWh of energy input. Those "300 miles" are probably less realistic than the Model S "310 miles" in the NEDC test, and that's with only about 77 kWh available, 90 kWh including charging losses.

    In other words, this car has roughly the same efficiency as a Model S. At best.
     
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  3. Chris TX

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    It's a slow, two-seater, weird-mobile. I dig the Popular Mechanics graphics, though.
     
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    She's a looker!


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  5. RobStark

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    It is a FCEV kit car for $715/month lease.

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    Fuel cell cars sound like magic until you find out that industrial H2 comes from natural gas, and the production of 1 pound of H2 creates about 10 pounds of CO2.

    There are things that are going to work today to reduce greenhouse gases, and things that aren't really supported at this time. Fuel Cells are in the second class.

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    IMO, Tesla has the right idea. Make an EV that is a superior driving experience to ICE autos. Sell the car based on the fact you are getting more car than an ICE alternative.

    Making EV1's and 1st Gen Insights isn't the answer. Only masochists who demand green technology will buy them, and to be honest, that's not much of market.

    Fuel Cell cars like the Toyota don't stand much of a chance of wide adoption, and Riversimple stands even a worse chance of success.
     
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    Damn! Somebody beat that thing with an ugly stick!
    A fur steering wheel. Really. Totally disco man.
     
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  8. gene

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    Damn, that's Hwy 395 near Olancha. Right here in California!
     
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    The dude driving it doesn't exactly look enamoured by his ride!

     
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    What a ridiculous vehicle. It causes more problems than it solves.
     
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    It's astonishing companies are still trying the whole hydrogen thing on for size. The Japanese are semi-forgiveable in that their local Governments are being very bullish in regards to infrastructure... but an American company has no such excuse :confused:
     
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    No, but American companies do have CARB...
     
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    woof Model S #P683 Blue 85 kWh

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    What about that passenger? Doesn't seem the type to be overly concerned about his own appearance, but clearly not thrilled to be seen in this thing.
     
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    I assume the 300 miles is on the NEDC cycle, and hasn't been validated.

    I don't care how efficient they claim this thing is, it's not getting anywhere near 300 miles real world.
     
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    CHG-ON Still in love after all these miles

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    The car may be clean. But the delivery system uses a ridiculous amount of energy to fuel it. Most of it dirty. Needs lots more work.
     
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    I actually really like the Riversimple Rasa from a techie perspective, but it won't work in the broader marketplace.

    The car's use of both hybrid ultra capacitors (for acceleration) and an off-the-shelf fuel cell (for cruising) is innovative. However, the Rasa is completely impractical. 2 passengers and minimal trunk space in the production model mean that most families will not be able to use it to transport children and cargo. A top speed of 60 MPH makes it impractical for use on modern highways, as it would have little to no reserve for passing and certain avoidance maneuvers. The low mass of the car also raises safety questions in an age where even a lowly Honda Civic weighs about 2800 lbs.

    This doesn't even get to the merits and practical realities of fueling. Weirdmobiles just don't work, and this is something that techies not familiar with the auto marketplace don't understand. The car has to actually function the way people need it to function. If the car can't carry enough people, can't carry cargo, and can't travel safely on many highways, it is useless!
     
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    500 British Pounds/772 US Dollars per month for an all inclusive lease including fuel,insurance and maintenance is way too much for the two passenger Rasa.

    This about the same as the TCO for a BMW 520 Diesel.
     
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