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New Roadster Goodies for 2014
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The Superchargers can charge your car at any rate they want. If they sense a Roadster, for example, it would simply supply power at an appropriate level. The PEM is bypassed for DC. Even if they replaced the contactor in the ESS which is designed only for AC, you would have to charge at a much lower rate than the Model S unless they replace the cells with current technology. The ESS cooling system is unlikely to be able to transfer heat fast enough to handle DC charging much higher than 30 kW. The Roadster chemistry can't handle as much heat as the Model S cells. Having said that, 30kW would be pretty nice!
In any case, wiztecy is probably right in that we're getting a little too far ahead of ourselves from a couple of blurry pics.
Time to revive WHAT IS THE BIG 2014 SURPRISE FOR THE ROADSTER????
I'd be thrilled with 30kW for the Roadster. If they could do that with a very low cost upgrade (not a new battery pack at this point) people would be thrilled. It it were designed so that when you did upgrade to a new battery pack years from now and get even more powe , even better.
I'd be thrilled with 30kW for the Roadster. If they could do that with a very low cost upgrade (not a new battery pack at this point) people would be thrilled. It it were designed so that when you did upgrade to a new battery pack years from now and get even more powe , even better.
Clprenz
Member
My prediction: They will overhaul the charging system with software updates and hardware exchanges. Including changing the socket of the Roadster to the Model S. I bet it will be a package costing about $5000+ and will include:
Supercharging (at 40kw) (Software and hardware bypass= $1500)
Twin Chargers 20kw (european charger model) ($2000)
Roadster to Model S HPWC connector (included in cost) ($750)(Compatible with model S charger too
New mobile connected and adapters ($750)
Charging rates:
HPWC's:
Roadster: 16.8kw (56 mph)
Model S: 20kw (72 mph)(speed curve matched) Real power charged per hour: 15.6kwh
Supercharging:
Limited to 40kw (156 mph) (speed curve matched) Real power charged per hour: 34kwh
Supercharging (at 40kw) (Software and hardware bypass= $1500)
Twin Chargers 20kw (european charger model) ($2000)
Roadster to Model S HPWC connector (included in cost) ($750)(Compatible with model S charger too
New mobile connected and adapters ($750)
Charging rates:
HPWC's:
Roadster: 16.8kw (56 mph)
Model S: 20kw (72 mph)(speed curve matched) Real power charged per hour: 15.6kwh
Supercharging:
Limited to 40kw (156 mph) (speed curve matched) Real power charged per hour: 34kwh
Elon already said emphatically that Roadster is not compatible with Supercharging. So, I rather doubt this speculation is accurate.
Roadrunner13
Member
I tend to agree that Supercharging would require quite a large hardware change that will be hard to 'justify' cost wise.
On the other hand, TEG speculation is much less involved and provides good bang for the buck!
Especially if they do add overflow capabilities to supercharger station that roadster can now leverage by adding HPC2...
This overflow will benefit all Model S & futur Model X...not just us!!!
Much easier to justify than adding a roadster charger...
Sounds like a nice 'future proof' type of enhancements for us roadster owners!
SC Roadsters
Clearly we don't really know what we are talking about, but everyone "could" be right. The Roadster is not CURRENTLY compatible with Supercharging, but back in August 2011, after I had my Roadster I had gone to a Roadster demonstration event in Stowe, VT to put my car out there with the ones Tesla brought to demo. I was commenting to the Tesla rep how nice it would be for the Roadsters to have SC capability since the upcoming Model S would have this. The Tesla rep said to me that Tesla heard this all the time from Roadster owners and that he wouldn't be surprised, wink, wink, nudge nudge, if there wasn't a small side project with the engineering team to see if there was a way to bring that fruition. That was years ago, so perhaps it was just a thought and not really an comment based on insider knowledge, but if it were a small side project, I could certainly see it taking back seat to the really important projects of launching Model S and X, leading to delays. I will just have to hope...
Clearly we don't really know what we are talking about, but everyone "could" be right. The Roadster is not CURRENTLY compatible with Supercharging, but back in August 2011, after I had my Roadster I had gone to a Roadster demonstration event in Stowe, VT to put my car out there with the ones Tesla brought to demo. I was commenting to the Tesla rep how nice it would be for the Roadsters to have SC capability since the upcoming Model S would have this. The Tesla rep said to me that Tesla heard this all the time from Roadster owners and that he wouldn't be surprised, wink, wink, nudge nudge, if there wasn't a small side project with the engineering team to see if there was a way to bring that fruition. That was years ago, so perhaps it was just a thought and not really an comment based on insider knowledge, but if it were a small side project, I could certainly see it taking back seat to the really important projects of launching Model S and X, leading to delays. I will just have to hope...
You're dreaming. Minimum $15k for this. Nothing for the Roadster will ever be "very low cost."
You're dreaming too. Think $20k +. And "twin chargers" makes no sense when the Roadster already charges at 70A. The mods to the existing charger/PEM would be minimal compared to the changes to the ESS required for DC charging.
Time to revive WHAT IS THE BIG 2014 SURPRISE FOR THE ROADSTER????
For the Roadster that would be 'low cost'
. Other rumored or wished for upgrades people were talking about were up to $80k for Supercharging and a new battery.
If Tesla were to do something special for Roadster owners, they hopefully wouldn't go after their usual margins. They wouldn't need to make this small program a major profit center. More of a PR move and thank you to the owners who helped bring them along. I'm not saying they should give it away however.
For the Roadster that would be 'low cost'
. Other rumored or wished for upgrades people were talking about were up to $80k for Supercharging and a new battery.If Tesla were to do something special for Roadster owners, they hopefully wouldn't go after their usual margins. They wouldn't need to make this small program a major profit center. More of a PR move and thank you to the owners who helped bring them along. I'm not saying they should give it away however.
Elon said in the last conference call that they had to draw resources away from the Model X program to work on Model S issues. So engineering resources are already scarce enough to delay The Next Big Thing. How many people do you think they have spare to work on Roadster projects? I expect any Roadster treats will be well delayed into 2015, after Model X production ramps.
As a current Model S owner, I tell everyone who listens that the success of the Model S was due to the trials and tribulations the Roadster owners put up with. Without the Roadster the Model S rollout could not have been nearly a successful as it was!
Also, I did see a comment earlier about wanting 70 amp Roadster chargers at each Supercharging location - I think that would be awesome! But I suspect the Roadster owners will have to fork over the money for those stations (as each Model S owner who got the Supercharging capability enabled has had to do for the Superchargers)
Also, I did see a comment earlier about wanting 70 amp Roadster chargers at each Supercharging location - I think that would be awesome! But I suspect the Roadster owners will have to fork over the money for those stations (as each Model S owner who got the Supercharging capability enabled has had to do for the Superchargers)
That is exactly what Elon was dismissing - that there would be any chance of modifying the Roadster to be SC compatible.
If Elon promises something we might question whether it will happen on time, but if he dismisses something I think we can be very certain it's not gonna happen.
Who you gonna believe, some random Tesla rep several years ago, or Elon last year?
Curt
Roadster Signature #55
I would be happy to foot the bill for a couple of these. If each Roadster owner did one, we could have all of the SuperCharger locations covered pretty quickly.
In the mean time, I'm sponsoring a few Sun Country Highway CS-100 stations so we can have something for Roadsters on the east coast.
jbadger
TR#506, MXP, ~3#1206~
No, unfortunately. It was around 10PM and I didn't want to get stopped for suspicious activity.
It definitely did not appear to be an adapter, it looked more as if they removed the Roadster port completely and replaced it with a Model S port.
I posted it just for discussion and that I thought it was neat. I agree that it's most likely an engineer playing around because he can. The car had other mods as well like LED side markers.
The side markers on the Roadster have always been LED lights. At least I can say mine on #000033 are LEDs.
wiztecy
Active Member
I think he means the European style side markers, the ones in the front fender behind the front wheel but ahead of the front door. I haven't seen a Roadster in the US with them but wish they were included.
Cottonwood
Roadster#433, Model S#S37
Now that I have the Model S, I encourage my kids (23, 29, and 31) to use my Roadster.
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