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I agree that if there is a problem, then someone has to tell someone. I guess that's why I wrote "tell the SC" even if that is a fruitless approach. If an owner has a real problem, then say there's a real problem and indicate some details. It's the "AP tries to kill me every time I engage it" comments that irk me. Or the "AP basically doesn't work" ones. For me, it basically works, and that's what I'm getting at.
I shot this on my way out to lunch right now. It's an S curve near my work that human drivers hate doing. I can't post the hour a day or whatever it is that I have it engaged, but it doesn't cross lane lines or drive into oncoming traffic. If it did, I would consider that a failure, but my car doesn't do that.
I agree that if there is a problem, then someone has to tell someone. I guess that's why I wrote "tell the SC" even if that is a fruitless approach. If an owner has a real problem, then say there's a real problem and indicate some details. It's the "AP tries to kill me every time I engage it" comments that irk me. Or the "AP basically doesn't work" ones. For me, it basically works, and that's what I'm getting at.
I shot this on my way out to lunch right now. It's an S curve near my work that human drivers hate doing. I can't post the hour a day or whatever it is that I have it engaged, but it doesn't cross lane lines or drive into oncoming traffic. If it did, I would consider that a failure, but my car doesn't do that.
I'll take that. It doesn't work in all circumstances, and I do have to take over. Again, my point is that I'm just annoyed at the posters who claim that since it only works most of the time then that means it fails all the time. I get that it is largely hyperbole, but after so many "AP sucks, it's useless, it tries to kill me" posts it just gets on my nerves. And I will just have to mature as a person and get past that, I get it.Very good. It works most of the time; not all of the time.
I'll take that. It doesn't work in all circumstances, and I do have to take over. Again, my point is that I'm just annoyed at the posters who claim that since it only works most of the time then that means it fails all the time. I get that it is largely hyperbole, but after so many "AP sucks, it's useless, it tries to kill me" posts it just gets on my nerves. And I will just have to mature as a person and get past that, I get it.
I'd really like to get past this and move on to the discussion of what is meant by "next month." Does he mean calendar month of June, or in the next 31 days? Does it count if it rolls out to 1,000 cars on June 30? Is there going to be an update before that? It's a parsing nightmare.
Thanks for your video, as with my AP2 I can see your car autosteer to the outwards of the lane but not crossing it. You did come terribly close the that guard rail though. And on the left hand turn, a driver in the adjacent lane would probably rather cut the inside of the bend, making it a close call between you. Not comfortable.I'll take that. It doesn't work in all circumstances, and I do have to take over. Again, my point is that I'm just annoyed at the posters who claim that since it only works most of the time then that means it fails all the time. I get that it is largely hyperbole, but after so many "AP sucks, it's useless, it tries to kill me" posts it just gets on my nerves. And I will just have to mature as a person and get past that, I get it.
Oh ye of little information...
As of April 29, 2017:
@Bladerskb Sarcasm doesn't translate well in threads. So if that's what your post was, then nevermind. We're on the same page.
What overpromise and under deliver?
Elon said we will be able to sleep in our cars by dec 2017. Haven't you see his track reocrd with rockets and evs? Oh ye of little faith why doest thou doubt?
If @stopcrazypp believes elon and says we can summon from anywhere in 2018 then i do too!
It doesn't matter either way. It's obviously not yet ready for release, so release date is unknown. That combined with Mr Musk's track record says you should simply wait until there's actual evidence of arrival before you get excited. Or at the very least always take the upper end of the spread.
Again calling me out for no apparent reason and putting words in my mouth? Where did I say I believe we can summon from anywhere in 2018?
From the other thread you started, back in 2015 he said he believed level 4 driving would be possible technically in ~2018 (to be more accurate he said ~2 or 3 years and this was calculated; he never says ~2018 exactly), but it'll take a couple of years of regulations (1-3 years) before it'll be allowed. So it'll be a while after 2018 before a summon from anywhere would be possible in consumer hands (maybe a demo would be possible).
I didn't say what time I personally believe when it will be available, just my interpretation of what Elon said he believed.but u did say FSD better than human will be available in 2018
I agree that if there is a problem, then someone has to tell someone. I guess that's why I wrote "tell the SC" even if that is a fruitless approach. If an owner has a real problem, then say there's a real problem and indicate some details. It's the "AP tries to kill me every time I engage it" comments that irk me. Or the "AP basically doesn't work" ones. For me, it basically works, and that's what I'm getting at.
I shot this on my way out to lunch right now. It's an S curve near my work that human drivers hate doing. I can't post the hour a day or whatever it is that I have it engaged, but it doesn't cross lane lines or drive into oncoming traffic. If it did, I would consider that a failure, but my car doesn't do that.
Alil bit of both.
Nevertheless...
December 2015: "We're going to end up with complete autonomy, and I think we will have complete autonomy in approximately two years." -
Elon Musk Says Tesla Vehicles Will Drive Themselves in Two Years
January 2016: "In ~2 years, summon should work anywhere connected by land & not blocked by borders, eg you're in LA and the car is in NY" -
Elon Musk on Twitter
June 2016: ""I really consider autonomous driving a solved problem," he said. "I think we are probably less than two years away." -
Two years until self-driving cars are on the road – is Elon Musk right?
If your girlfriend took $8,000 and gave you a receipt for loving you forever 40 years ago, I think you gave a good case for a very nice refund with 40 years of interest. At a reasonable 12% APR that would be a cool $744K.AR,
I feel your pain. My 5th grade girlfriend promised she would love me forever. Wouldn't you know it, something happened and she changed her mind!
Been eating me up for 40+ years now, and I just can't let it go. My therapist of 30 years has been telling me that sometimes the World doesn't work the way we want, and it's simply a matter of accepting certain things as they are.
I obviously need to find a new therapist...
RT
P.S. Dad always said I had a "thick skull"
Well, if past is prologue, you can probably get excited about the functionality
I didn't say what time I personally believe when it will be available, just my interpretation of what Elon said he believed.
And ready technically and "available" is different. You can have all the tech ready and if the legal framework is not there to allow consumers to use it, then all that remains is a nice demo, and not actually "available".
In fact, looking through my comments, I specifically said to you directly that I found 2018 unlikely for regulatory reasons. Maybe Tesla can do it in one specific jurisdiction, but that certainly isn't summon "anywhere" (even if "anywhere" is limited only to the US).
2 years: Musk's new timeline for door-to-door full autonomy
Again, not sure why you keep calling me out for no reason.
I just figured it out: "next month" means N+1. Now..... don't ask me what "N" meansI'll take that. It doesn't work in all circumstances, and I do have to take over. Again, my point is that I'm just annoyed at the posters who claim that since it only works most of the time then that means it fails all the time. I get that it is largely hyperbole, but after so many "AP sucks, it's useless, it tries to kill me" posts it just gets on my nerves. And I will just have to mature as a person and get past that, I get it.
I'd really like to get past this and move on to the discussion of what is meant by "next month." Does he mean calendar month of June, or in the next 31 days? Does it count if it rolls out to 1,000 cars on June 30? Is there going to be an update before that? It's a parsing nightmare.