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"Offering attractive purchase incentives is one of the most effective policy actions that governments can take to help accelerate BEV deployment."

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Does anyone know if NY state offers any kind of incentive on EV's?

"Summarizes how state and local governments are supporting the development of local electric-vehicle markets in the 25 most-populous U.S. metropolitan areas. Provides a quantitative estimate of the effective cost of owning and operating battery electric vehicles in those 25 cities."

Supporting the electric vehicle market in U.S. cities | International Council on Clean Transportation







Supporting the electric vehicle market in U.S. cities | International Council on Clean Transportatio...This briefing encapsulates a recent ICCT report, Assessment of leading electric vehicle promotion activities in United States cities, which surveys actions being taken by state and local governments and public utilities to facilitate electric vehicle deployment in the 25 largest U...


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America does not want to put GM or Ford out of business.

This article suggests that Ford would benefit from incentives:

"Over 360 parking spaces are covered by the Ford World Headquarters campus array and I hope that many more corporate leaders of our large companies will do the same and help their employees make the leap over to electric powered vehicles. As you can see, if made available employees will switch to electric power if given the option to do so and since in Ford’s case the power is being generated by the Sun, their vehicle miles are free and 100% clean power."

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Cost Rica showing leadership:

"Rep. Guerrero used the example of a hybrid or electric vehicle whose value at present is $30,000. Under the proposed legislation, the value of all exemptions that would apply to that vehicle would total $17,000, a savings of 44 percent."

No import tax, no annual ‘Marchamo’ – Bill offers big incentives for electric, hybrid vehicles - Inside Costa Rica



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"The next generation of motorists want to own more electric cars"

The next generation of motorists want to own more electric cars
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Market shifts happen faster than predicted, and impact the market more than expected"

"A SURVEY of teenagers and learner drivers has found that the next generation of motorists see electric vehicles (EVs) as their car of choice by 2026. Their view is supported by futurologist Dr Ian Pearson, who forecasts that EVs will be the new normal in just over 10 years."

 
"Under Gov. Brown’s leadership, California has set the most aggressive clean transportation goals in the country, including creating a charging network to handle 1 million electric vehicles by 2020. Businesses and public sector partners have been busy coming up with programs and policies to promote workplace charging, fleet vehicles, and provide incentives to employees for the purchase of PEVs."



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GM and Ford will benefit from incentives on their EV's as well.

Norway also has a massive oil and gas industry. It would seem they have prioritized the health of their citizens over the profits of an industry. What a concept.
You seem very tolerant of the fact that Norway is sending huge supplies of oil around the world. Apparently their love of health over profits doesn't extend beyond their borders. Their very generous EV subsidies are paid for with oil.
 
You seem very tolerant of the fact that Norway is sending huge supplies of oil around the world. Apparently their love of health over profits doesn't extend beyond their borders. Their very generous EV subsidies are paid for with oil.

Well... that's a demand problem; Would you rather the supply come from Texas and fund Ferd-f-teen-fifties, the mid-east and fund ISIS or Norway and fund EVs?
 
Folks, take a closer look. This could be a really effective and non-disruptive approach. It just needs a push:

Carbon Fee and Dividend - Citizens Climate Lobby

Carbon Fee and Dividend is the policy proposal created by Citizens’ Climate Lobby (CCL) to internalize the costs of burning carbon-based fuels. It’s the policy that climate scientists and economists alike say is the best first-step to reduce the likelihood of catastrophic climate change from global warming.
Citizens’ Climate Lobby volunteers pride themselves in being FOR something rather than AGAINST things. So Carbon Fee and Dividend is the policy our citizen volunteers around the world are advocating FOR.

As long as fossil fuels remain artificially cheap and profitable, their use will rise. Correcting this market failure requires their price to account for their true social costs.
To gain bipartisan support we advocate for a true cost-comparison between competing fuels AND reducing greenhouse gas emissions.


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If you think about it, incentives are a perverse way to do this. Another approach would be to fairly charge for external costs so alternatives stop selling at a discount. A great way to do this is with a revenue neutral, gradually increasing carbon fee and dividend.

Check out Citizens Climate Lobby - Political Will for a Livable World

Ironically, this is an approach many Republicans support.
 
"The "bitter irony" of the scam that has rocked the automobile sector around the world and plunged the once-respected carmaker into a major crisis, is that the billions of euros VW could potentially face in fines "could have been used to finance an entire electric car programme," complained Environment Minister Barbara Hendricks recently."

http://phys.org/news/2015-10-vw-dieselgate-spotlight-electric-cars.html
 
If you include hybrids on the list, that may be true. Pure BEVs will not be a dominant force in the market that early. There won't be enough battery production.
"Battery technology continues to improve, and the amount of resources needed to make an electric car will continue to fall. These technology developments will all add up, greatly reducing the environmental impact of cars while making them safer and cheaper. If current trends towards electric cars continue this means that, by 2026, demand for electric cars will almost certainly outweigh demand for 'traditionally fuelled' cars."

This suggests pure EV's. What's the turnaround time on a GIGAfactory? I anticipate announcements for additional GIGA's very soon.
 
"Battery technology continues to improve, and the amount of resources needed to make an electric car will continue to fall. These technology developments will all add up, greatly reducing the environmental impact of cars while making them safer and cheaper. If current trends towards electric cars continue this means that, by 2026, demand for electric cars will almost certainly outweigh demand for 'traditionally fuelled' cars."

This suggests pure EV's. What's the turnaround time on a GIGAfactory? I anticipate announcements for additional GIGA's very soon.

The demand will be there by 2026. I have little doubt of that.

The problem is building the infrastructure. Cars require a lot of heavy industry to build and support. Cars with a new fuel source (electricity in this case) requires a whole fueling infrastructure. Yes people with garages and enough power to their house can charge at home, but about 1/2 the population of the US are renters, and there are a lot of older houses that don't have garages, or even driveways. A friend of mine lives in one of the most trendy neighborhoods in Portland, but everyone parks on the street because the old houses were built before cars were common. On some streets rings to tie up your horse are still there. A whole infrastructure for people who can't charge in their garage has to be built, and a lot of that is going to take buy in from governments, if not the governments doing it themselves.

Then the long distance travel network of fast chargers has to be vastly expanded from where it is today. The PEV market share in the US was 0.72% in 2014 and 0.27% in Canada, and well over half of those were hybrids that don't need charging on the road. Get that even into single digit percentages and you're looking at building a hell of a lot more chargers on highways. It can be done, but it will take time. As long as there is a myriad of charging standards, there needs to be a lot of duplication of effort built in to support all the different charging needs.

Then there comes the problem of building the batteries. The world builds about 100 million cars and light trucks per year, Tesla is aiming to build 500,000 Model 3s a year with the Gigafactory output. To support switching the entire world's car production over to electrics will require at least 200 Gigafactories. The first one isn't finished yet, and while Tesla will probably break ground on Gigafactory 2 in a few years, nobody else in the world is even hinted at being interested in building their own. Most mainstream car makers have their head in the sand about electrics. They build them because they have to and want to appear green, but even the "mass produced" electrics like the Volt and Leaf are built in tiny numbers compared to ICE cars from the same manufacturers. I believe Chevy is aiming to build about 50,000 Bolts a year, less than Teslas production levels when the Bolt will be introduced and one of the lowest volume vehicles in the GM lineup, they sell almost as many Corvettes.

If the Model 3 takes off, the other car makers will panic and get serious about electric cars, but they won't even break ground on the battery factories until 2020 or later. It would be impossible to build 50 million BEVs a year by 2026. If the Model 3 is popular, it's quite possible there will be the demand for 50 million BEVs by 2026, but the market won't be able to deliver. Maybe a few million a year by then. Maybe, it depends on how much resistance there will be from the ICE lobby when the handwriting is on the wall.

Another factor the article doesn't address is young people don't buy new cars anymore. I read something a few months back that the average age of a new car buyer in the US was 50. Some brands had average ages around 60 and I think the youngest average buyer was 46 for something like Range Rover. Only a few 20 somethings buy new cars anymore. The millennials are not as interested in driving as previous generations and many don't get driver's licenses until in their 20s. And when they do go car shopping, they look for used cars. Some of this may be more of a trend in the US than other countries, but the millennials are usually so burdened with debt they are delaying buying new cars, houses, and having families, all of which has a negative impact on the economy.

With consumer electronics, you can see huge market shifts in a very short period of time because that industry is very light on the industrial needs to make the product. You only need about 500mg of raw materials to make an iPhone, but you need several tons to make a car. Consumer electronics also tend to be evolutionary rather than revolutionary. The iPhone is often touted as revolutionary, but none of the hardware was all that revolutionary, it worked with the existing cell network without modifications and basically was just a shrunk down portable computer with a phone function. All the elements were already there to put together. An electric car is a revolutionary thing, it requires a new support network and at least for Tesla, includes some technologies never seen in cars before.

Tesla also has a different approach to manufacturing than anyone else. The Gigafactory is going to be vertically integrated with raw materials in one end and finished battery packs out the other. Nobody in the car business is doing anything remotely like that today. I think it's the wave of the future, but it will take a while for the revolution to take hold and there will be casualties as companies that can't keep up will go out of business.
 
"Battery technology continues to improve, and the amount of resources needed to make an electric car will continue to fall. These technology developments will all add up, greatly reducing the environmental impact of cars while making them safer and cheaper. If current trends towards electric cars continue this means that, by 2026, demand for electric cars will almost certainly outweigh demand for 'traditionally fuelled' cars."

This suggests pure EV's. What's the turnaround time on a GIGAfactory? I anticipate announcements for additional GIGA's very soon.

Big News:

Elon himself just weighed in...2030 says he:

"Mr. Musk is betting on China’s huge demand for electric cars. By 2030, more than half the newly produced vehicles in the world will be battery-powered, and China will take the biggest share, he said, according to a transcript of his speech posted on Tesla’s verified Chinese social-media account."

Tesla Plans to Produce Electric Vehicles in China Within Two Years - NASDAQ.com
 
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