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    #61 Ktowntslafan, Nov 1, 2015
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    All kinds of folks believing electrics are coming soon. I believe a massive rapid transition to EV's will solve many of the worlds problems.

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    This post got me thinking...

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    And for balance, I feel compelled to share this article (published today!):

    "At a starting price of $33,170 for a 2016 Chevy Volt to more than $101,000 for an electric Tesla Roadster (the cheapest model), these so-called “green” cars are far beyond the reach of most American families. In fact, most workers have less money today than 40 years ago: average American wages have fallen from $53,294 in 1973 to $50,383 in 2014, using constant 2014 numbers.
    And yet, all levels of government have instigated numerous rules that favor electric and hybrid vehicles at the expense of American families, who continue to see costs rise for nearly every essential commodity, thanks to regulations, special tax treatments and executive actions. Only gasoline, diesel fuel and natural gas prices have fallen – thanks to the fracking revolution that has unleashed US oil and gas production."

    Government-Style OpEd | Eurasia Review

    OMG, really?

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    More fun here:

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    And for counter-balance (and a reality check):

    Fossil fuels subsidised by $10m a minute, says IMF | Environment | The Guardian

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    "The Chinese market has been growing significantly since 2014. We predict that the next five to 10 years will be an important phase for the industry," said Jin Jun, a PwC China advisory partner.
    He said one important driving force behind the industry's momentum is the government's favorable policies."

    Central govt gives a jolt to new-energy auto industry[1]- Chinadaily.com.cn
     
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    Global pollution targets can't be met without big use of electric vehicles. But they will need substantial incentives to get to that point.

    http://www.afr.com/opinion/the-big-switch-to-electric-cars-20151109-gkubt4
     
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    "Cutting-edge technological developments - in renewable energy and hybrid or electric vehicles, for example - will be indispensable in building these cities (and, more broadly, a clean and efficient economy). Although much research remains to be done, such technologies are increasingly accessible. In bringing about change, however, vested interests are a formidable sparring partner."

    http://allafrica.com/stories/201511092570.html

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    "Europeans need to end subsidies for fossil fuels, multiply energy efficiency efforts, improve mass public transport systems and accelerate the roll-out of electric cars in order to live up to their commitments, Stern told the Guardian in an interview."

    'A one-off in human history': Stern's warning on climate change battle | World news | The Guardian

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    "When developing countries are examined, some of the major factors that have a positive impact on the growth of electric car market are seen as government policies and incentives. With the improvements in battery technologies, tougher emission standards and increasing infrastructure of charging facilities, electric cars are expected to be used more widely in future."

    It is experiencing an increase in electric cars worldwide | Middle East News 24
     
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    "Many governments around the world are helping stimulate demand for EVs with various incentives, from cash for trading in old, polluting cars, to free parking and EV access to bus and high-occupancy lanes. We are also working daily with governments and businesses to expand the charging infrastructure that's necessary if EVs are to go mainstream. In places where such investments have taken place, such as Norway and the U.S. city of Atlanta, customers have reacted positively and sales have grown rapidly."

    Automotive Purchasing - "Paris climate change deal is critical for smooth transition to a low carbon economy" - Carlos Ghosn
     
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    This is where Canada is somewhat more European in their attitudes than the United States. In the US, any idea to ban cars from city centers would be political suicide, even in the most liberal cities. Most US cities would have to invest billions in mass transit infrastructure before cars could even consider being banned, and that's per city. Portland has a pretty good light rail system, but it runs at max capacity and there are still enough cars on the road to be a headache at rush hour. Seattle has finally started building a light rail system, but it's been extremely expensive and slow to build. The bus system in Seattle isn't bad downtown, but get outside the city core and it's quality drops dramatically. The buses also don't go between where people work and live. In the last 40 years a tremendous number of jobs have gone to the suburbs, but the traffic planners don't seem to realize that. And Seattle and Portland are two very liberal cities.

    The US also has to contend with people like this:
    http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/environment/conservatives-purposely-making-pickup-trucks-spew-black-smoke/article/388821

    There are enough people like this to completely paralyze the US political system.
     
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    Many of these articles exposing Oil subsidies don't take into account America's Military spending protecting OPEC countries. And this subsidy is actual cash taken from taxpayers -not abatements or rebates. Add to the fact Europe and the rest of the world provide little or no money in this "subsidy". OPEC countries don't even fight their own wars! We do it for them. An excellent analogy would be this- Imagine if Elon built the GFactory in one of the most worn torn countries on the planet (ie Somalia,Sudan). After which he asked (and got) the Military to provide protection of battery transport, paid off surrounding countries, and start a couple wars to protect GFactory etc. Can you imagine the response of the media? (and rightfully so). But for Oil we do this everyday for 50+ years. And to the extant where regular Americans don't even notice at all. I feel that when the media attacks EV subsidies and not Oil I'm in the Matrix or something. It's bewildering.
     
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    Awesome post, thanks!

    Bewildering indeed!

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    Here's one estimate:

    Costs of U.S. Foreign Policy for Oil

    Estimates of how much the decision to defend oil supplies has cost the U.S. taxpayer have always been hard to come by. About a decade ago, Greenpeace and Earthtrack published a study indicating that the cost of defending oil supplies were at least $10 billion annually. A more recent peer-reviewed study from Roger Stern, an economic geographer at Princeton, outlines an even greater cost of $7.3 trillion over 30 years.

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    Here's one estimate:

    Costs of U.S. Foreign Policy for Oil

    Estimates of how much the decision to defend oil supplies has cost the U.S. taxpayer have always been hard to come by. About a decade ago, Greenpeace and Earthtrack published a study indicating that the cost of defending oil supplies were at least $10 billion annually. A more recent peer-reviewed study from Roger Stern, an economic geographer at Princeton, outlines an even greater cost of $7.3 trillion over 30 years.War Terror - Oil Change InternationalOil Change International

    Wow, I did not know this excellent info. And I'm sure that study did not include the cost of Iraq war 1 and 2 which were trillions onto itself. Add this to everything else, and no media coverage at all. But Nevada deferring GFactory real estate tax on desert land that nobody wants...headline news. Absolutely incredible.
     
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    I thought it was worth separating out the Princeton study: http://www.princeton.edu/oeme/articles/US-miiltary-cost-of-Persian-Gulf-force-projection.pdf

    Time for #RealChange

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    Rapidly Melting Glacier Has Enough Mass To Raise Sea Levels By Nearly 2 Feet

    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/11/13/3722002/another-glacier-is-dying/

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