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New York Times headline is a LIE! - does ANY publication have high standards?

Discussion in 'Model S' started by calisnow, Jul 6, 2016.

  1. calisnow

    calisnow Active Member

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    Maybe I'm beating a dead horse here but this shocked me - a new NY Times piece just went live about the Pennsylvania crash, and it reads:

    "U.S. Safety Agency Investigates Another Tesla Crash Involving Autopilot."

    Nobody knows yet if the crash involved Autopilot. Why didn't the NY Times at least say "possibly" involving Autopilot? This isn't a tabloid!

    The byline has three separate authors. If you read the story the opening line simply says the crash was of a Tesla "equipped" with Autopilot. Yet the headline itself says the crash "involved" Autopilot. The NY Times is supposed to at least pretend to be factually accurate.

    Tesla's counterclaim that they have no data yet which says Autopilot was activated is buried 10 paragraphs into the story!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/07/business/us-safety-agency-investigates-another-tesla-crash-involving-autopilot.html

    The article also mentions that the Pennsylvania driver's lawyers plan to "release a statement" shortly. He's gonna get his 15 minutes and as much $ as possible I'm sure.
     
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  2. Todd Burch

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    NYT, WSJ, Detroit Free Press, USA Today, LA Times, etc....

    Elon needs to hold a press conference and tear into the "journalists" writing these stories. Embarrass them. They've earned it.
     
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  3. tropical1

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    Why does everyone give Tesla such a hard time? Perhaps because so many vested interests will fail if Tesla succeeds.
     
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  4. David99

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    Publications are not there to tell the boring truth but to come up with headlines and stories and ways to tell stories that gets people interested. AP is a new thing so of course the press likes to play it. Just like the press made a big deal out of a Tesla getting in a crash. The first few Teslas that crashed made it to the news, now there are so many, it's not a story any more. Same will happen with AP related accidents. There will be more of these headlines before it's not a story any more.
     
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  5. CatB

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    Even though most of us know that quotes equate to "the opposite of", I'm afraid that subtlety is missed by most.
    Should we call them "self-professed journalists" "alleged journalists" or something else?
    Perhaps we could sue the academic organizations who claim to have conferred degrees on these bloviaters for false advertising, fraud and the decline of the US?
    And Broder wasn't even one of the authors... NYT must have quite a stable of journalistic pretenders...
     
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  6. trils0n

    trils0n 2013 P85

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    The media has entered the "Pile on Tesla for every possible negative event" portion of the new cycle. Disappointing, but fairly standard procedure for getting views/clicks/eyeballs.
     
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  7. calisnow

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    I hope you're right. But when the first Tesla crashed, the company was not yet seen as a threat to the established order - the stakes are much higher now.
     
  8. artsci

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    Regrettably the standards of journalism have fallen into the sewer and the NY Times is no exception. I've been a lifelong subscriber so I've been watching the collapsing quality of reporting at the Times for quite some time. If it keeps up I'll just cancel the subscription.
     
  9. TaoJones

    TaoJones Beyond Driven

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    Click. Bait.

    It's a sad state of affairs by any measure. Rarely did we used to see typos during the nightly or cable news, and there was some attention paid to levels of integrity that today are long gone.

    This filters into the readership as well, which routinely displays a lack of critical thinking skills. Sheeple, I call them - aka the perfect audience for Faux News, which has taken spin to a new low.

    Tesla coverage in general has been *so* poor, and so skewed as to have become laughable (hello, WSJ). It's the rare article anymore that begins and ends as a factually correct piece.

    And then there's Twitter *twitch*. At least with Twitter, brevity has virtue.
     
  10. ecarfan

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    Agreed. However, please keep in mind that typically the journalists who write articles do not write the articles titles (the "headline"). Newspapers have people who specialize in writing attention-grabbing headlines. I deeply dislike that practice. But it is the way things are done.

    Here is the opening paragraph of the article, which arguably is mostly accurate, quote:

    "The nation’s top auto safety regulator said on Wednesday that it had begun an investigation of a second crash involving a Tesla Motors car equipped with Autopilot technology, a system designed to let vehicles drive themselves for brief periods."

    The inaccurate part is that there have been more than two crashes in AP-equipped Teslas. Which of course is no surprise, there are tens of thousands of such cars! The important questions are; how many of those crashes have been when AP is active and of those, how many have been ascertained to have been caused by AP malfunctioning as opposed to the driver not being alert and taking over control appropriately.

    I do not know the answers to those questions.
     
  11. OLD BOATER

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    Sick the "Donald" on the corrupt media...
     
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  12. Snerruc

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    I'm relaated to two people in the newspaper business. I assure you that you NEVER get an accurate story from papers. They're too busy making clickbait.
     
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    That could backfire. Making too many enemies in the press will not be helpful and the general public will think you are petty.
     
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  14. Todd Burch

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    Accurate except for that little, tiny detail. Which of course has no relevancy to the story's point, right?
     
  15. Todd Burch

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    What I mean is that by publicisizing all of the stuff that is reported correctly, and clarifying how it's blatantly obvious that it's incorrect, it would show others that the journalists have no ability to get their facts straight.
     
  16. Todd Burch

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    Two wrongs don't make a right.
     
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    I would say the statement "...with Autopilot technology, a system designed to let vehicles drive themselves for brief periods" is basically correct. Under certain conditions, a Tesla on AP can "drive itself".
     
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    I know this is going to upset some, but based on the negative experiences that some here have shared on this forum with autopilot (car drifting to another lane etc) the story does not surprise me.

    For the record I am referring to experiences shared by some members of this forum prior to the disclosure of the fatal crash last week.

    Not saying that NYT is phrasing the story correctly, or that the driver was paying attention, but it does seem plausible that autopilot was indeed active when this happened. Again not based on my very limited experience, but on the experiences shared by several on this forum.
     
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  19. Todd Burch

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    Right, I understand and agree with your point--my point was just that the "drive itself" phrase is really the whole crux of this debate in the first place, and explains why the media, the public, and apparently even owners have a misconception about the system.

    I was being a little bit pedantic in order to point out the problem with people's perception (not your perception) of the technology.
     
  20. ggr

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    And I would disagree. It depends on your definition of "drive". If the definition of drive is "control speed and steering", yes. If the definition of drive includes "avoid unexpected circumstances and accidents", no. Drawing the analogy to autopilots in airplanes, no-one has ever expected an autopilot to deal with an engine failure in flight.
     

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