NHTSA Investigates - Pack Cooling, 2012-2016

[rooter]

This would explain, crippled Supercharging.

Disappointing. Why would they let this go on so long when they knew about it in 2012?

{Cue the Tesla shorts...}

 

[glide]

Has nothing to do with shorts and is a clear indication that Tesla was trying to skirt a safety recall by being shadyAF.

 

[rooter]

Has nothing to do with shorts and is a clear indication that Tesla was trying to skirt a safety recall by being shadyAF.

{der} I didn't say the shorts caused this. I was opening the door for inevitable critical posts , eh, like yours lol.

 

[MP3Mike]

Actually NHTSA has not said that they are going to investigate. Just that they are aware of the information that news sites published. (There is no open investigation listed on their site either.)

WK057 has said that he has seen no signs of internal coolant leakage in any of the more than 100 packs he has torn down. (That wasn't caused by physical accident damage.)

So my guess is that this is a nothing-burger. (In that Tesla had a quality consistency problem with a supplier, but they tested all the parts and only used parts that passed in cars.)

 

[AMPd]

From the article:

“This is strange to me. Tesla has no benefit to keeping the part and forcing it to fit on its vehicles.”

There’s a reason I don’t usually read articles from that site, because of dumbass takes like that. Tesla had no benefit in producing the vehicle with the defective part? In 2012 Tesla was in dire need of cash, the company NEEDED to start delivering the model s. Any significant delays could have bankrupted them.

 

[rooter]

Well, "The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) confirmed to the Los Angeles Times that they are investigating the issue"... I suspicion it's a Somethingburger. But we'll see.

glide and MP3Mike (who marked Disagree), maybe you can demonstrate another overarching theory why Tesla has taken the radical, damaging, and highly customer-impacting measure of limiting Supercharging on this very era of cars? Make it good.

 

[krsgio]

Just like COVID, you think you finally got this batterygate/chargagate scandal threads contained and then they start leaking back out into the forum when people think they are the first ones to read an electrek post.

 

[MP3Mike]

Well, "The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) confirmed to the Los Angeles Times that they are investigating the issue"... I suspicion it's a Somethingburger. But we'll see.

I must be blind because I can't see that statement in the LA Times article you linked to.

glide and MP3Mike (who marked Disagree), maybe you can demonstrate another overarching theory why Tesla has taken the radical, damaging, and highly customer-impacting measure of limiting Supercharging on this very era of cars? Make it good.

I can't answer that, as I don't have that information, but I'm 99% sure it isn't related to possible coolant leaks, that we have seen no reports of actually happening. Maybe it is like Tesla said that they are doing it to prolong battery life and reduce degradation.

 

[rooter]

I regret trying to provide information.

Life's too short for this kind of sh1t.

 

[AMPd]

Well, "The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) confirmed to the Los Angeles Times that they are investigating the issue"... I suspicion it's a Somethingburger. But we'll see.

glide and MP3Mike (who marked Disagree), maybe you can demonstrate another overarching theory why Tesla has taken the radical, damaging, and highly customer-impacting measure of limiting Supercharging on this very era of cars? Make it good.

Hmmm that quote is not in the article you linked.

 

[rooter]

Yeah, I must be making it up, huh?

Are you all uni dropouts?

 

[AMPd]

Yeah, I must be making it up, huh?

Are you all uni dropouts?

What are you talking about?
The quote you used is not in the article

"The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) confirmed to the Los Angeles Times that they are investigating the issue“

That quote is nowhere in the article.

 

[MP3Mike]

Yeah, I must be making it up, huh?

Are you all uni dropouts?

Well I tried to find where that quote came from:

• In the LA times article you linked to: nope.
• I searched the Internet for it: not found.
• I checked the NHTSA web site: No list of that investigation.
• In the Electrek article you linked to: There it is.

And as usual it appears to be bad reporting by Fred. He makes that claim and then quotes the source that actually says: the NHTSA is "well aware of the reports regarding this issue and will take action if appropriate based upon the facts and data." You would think if it was true the LA Times would have said that themselves.

So we will have to watch to find out if Fred is right or if he just misinterpreted what NHTSA said. (Which he seems to misinterpret things fairly frequently.)

 

[T.R.T.e.s.l.a.]

I regret trying to provide information.

Life's too short for this kind of sh1t.

Don't let them get you and keep providing information.

 

[dark cloud]

Well I tried to find where that quote came from:

• In the LA times article you linked to: nope.
• I searched the Internet for it: not found.
• I checked the NHTSA web site: No list of that investigation.
• In the Electrek article you linked to: There it is.

And as usual it appears to be bad reporting by Fred. He makes that claim and then quotes the source that actually says: the NHTSA is "well aware of the reports regarding this issue and will take action if appropriate based upon the facts and data." You would think if it was true the LA Times would have said that themselves.

Because MP3Mike has always been "disagree happy" with me too, I will give him one back.

The LA Times did say this. Direct from the quote posted above from @rooter :

"The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, in a statement to The Times, said it is “well aware of the reports regarding this issue and will take action if appropriate based upon the facts and data.” The agency also reminded auto manufacturers that they are required “to notify the agency within five days of when the manufacturer becomes aware of a safety related defect and conduct a recall.” Tesla appears to never have issued such notification.

Tesla did not respond to requests for comment."

-Russ Mitchell, writer for LA Times

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

Because MP3Mike has always been "disagree happy" with me too, I will give him one back.

The LA Times did say this. Direct from the quote posted above from @rooter :

"The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, in a statement to The Times, said it is “well aware of the reports regarding this issue and will take action if appropriate based upon the facts and data.” The agency also reminded auto manufacturers that they are required “to notify the agency within five days of when the manufacturer becomes aware of a safety related defect and conduct a recall.” Tesla appears to never have issued such notification.

Tesla did not respond to requests for comment."

-Russ Mitchell, writer for LA Times

Again, no mention of an investigation.

A NHTSA Investigation is a specific thing. There is a NHTSA Investigation into the nerfing generally, not anything specific on the nerfing.

 

[youlikeadajuice]

Again, no mention of an investigation.

A NHTSA Investigation is a specific thing. There is a NHTSA Investigation into the nerfing generally, not anything specific on the nerfing.

Interesting counterpoint to the original article...Tesla Hacker Says Model S Cooling Coil Issue Accusation Is Ridiculous

 

[David.85D]

I can’t recall a single post from owners saying their car leaked coolant from the battery or owners finding their car low on coolant (I check mine, level has never budged).

There have been a few reports of leaking coolant valves in the frunk area.

Unless I’m missing something, it seems it was quietly resolved.

Failure to report to NHTSA is another problem.

 

[Ostrichsak]

Well I tried to find where that quote came from:

• In the LA times article you linked to: nope.
• I searched the Internet for it: not found.
• I checked the NHTSA web site: No list of that investigation.
• In the Electrek article you linked to: There it is.

And as usual it appears to be bad reporting by Fred. He makes that claim and then quotes the source that actually says: the NHTSA is "well aware of the reports regarding this issue and will take action if appropriate based upon the facts and data." You would think if it was true the LA Times would have said that themselves.

So we will have to watch to find out if Fred is right or if he just misinterpreted what NHTSA said. (Which he seems to misinterpret things fairly frequently.)

This is why I largely ignore Electrek articles and blog postings. For every one piece of useful and informative information there's about a hundred fallacies and blatantly made up stories that most people take as fact since they read it on the world wide web.

 

[tesluv108]

Did anything ever come of this sugggesting a recall for this coolant part prone to leaks? My car was made one month before 2016, and is leaking coolant from under the front of the car smack dab in the middle of the axle. This car still has low mileage so this hammer controversy seems legit.

Tesla battery cooling system is subject of federal safety probe

Internal emails show Tesla knew of defects that could cause leaks and fires in 2012.

www.latimes.com