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Nissan launches hands-off ProPilot 2.0 On-Ramp to Off-Ramp (Rivals Navigate on Autopilot)

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  1. Bladerskb

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    Nissan to equip new Skyline with world’s first next-gen driver assistance system
     
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    As always, the fine print:

    1: A national expressway as prescribed by the National Expressway Act. A limited highway as prescribed by the Road Act.
    *2: Hands-off driving is possible when driving in a single lane, on the condition that the driver remains attentive on the road ahead and is prepared to immediately take manual control of the steering wheel when conditions of the road, traffic and vehicle require it.
    *3:The hands-off feature is not available in tunnels where a GPS signal cannot be established, on expressways that have two-way traffic, on winding roads, in tollgate areas or merging lanes. When entering a road section where hands-off driving is not available, the system will alert in advance so the driver can take manual control of vehicle steering.

    Also, Skyline is not available globally.

    Improvement, nonetheless!
     
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    So I assume this is Intel Mobileye. I note that announcing and delivering are very different things, as we have seen from Tesla announcements. Appears to be on a Japan only model at this point. Using HD maps, limited only to those areas that have been recently specially mapped. Tesla calls that a crutch, but time will tell.

    I wonder if Tesla could do something similar on the hands off, with the interior camera?
     
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    At first glance that shifter looked like it was hand cuffs restraining the man being forcefully tased with blue light in the car. Not what I'd call an ideal experience.
     
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    He definitely looks like he is in zombie mode.
     
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    "ProPilot 2.0 can even change lanes to pass a slower-moving car. The system will prompt the driver to put their hands back on the wheel, then the system will automatically execute the lane-change, pass the other car and return to the previous lane."

    "As with all driver-assistance features like this, Nissan emphasizes that ProPilot 2.0 can only operate in certain, safe situations. For instance, it won't work around toll booths or exit ramps; the driver will be prompted to take over in those cases."

    This doesn't sound superior to Autopilot. It sounds almost exactly like Autopilot except with eye-tracking nags instead of wheel torque nags. And it's not even released yet, it's coming this Fall to Japan only.
     
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    #8 Bladerskb, May 16, 2019 at 12:55 PM
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    Navigate on Autopilot only works on divided limited highway just as this. They also have a separate system that works on any single lane roads similar to regular Autopilot.

    Yeah its called a driver monitoring camera to make sure the driver is pay attention and also hasn't fallen asleep, allows you to be completely hands free unlike the stupid constant torque/wiggle of autopilot that fails regularly leading to drivers falling asleep, accidents and four deaths and counting.

    There is the hands-on system and the hands-off system. similar to how there's regular autopilot that works everywhere and then NOA that works only on divided limited access highways.

    Propilot 1.0 was first launched in japan in Serena and then the year after launched in the US. Same as NOA introduction which launched about 6+ months later in EU. It hasn't launched anywhere else from what i can recall. I might definitely be wrong on that.

    Yeah. I don't see how these are negatives, this is great for a system that doesn't have rear facing or rearview cameras. Using only Mobileye's tri-focal forward facing cameras.

    Tesla's 8 cameras versus Mobileye's 3 cameras (trifocal). Shows you the hold up has always been with the automakers not the actual tech provider (Mobileye)
     
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    Nice try but no. This system appears to be more advanced because of the driver facing camera which allows true hands off in some cases but it is not years ahead to Tesla.

    Notice this part in the article:

    ProPilot 2.0 can even change lanes to pass a slower-moving car. The system will prompt the driver to put their hands back on the wheel, then the system will automatically execute the lane-change, pass the other car and return to the previous lane.

    So Nissan's system requires hands on wheel for auto lane changes just like Tesla.

    And this part:

    As with all driver-assistance features like this, Nissan emphasizes that ProPilot 2.0 can only operate in certain, safe situations. For instance, it won't work around toll booths or exit ramps; the driver will be prompted to take over in those cases.

    So again, it won't work on exit ramps?! NOA does work on exit tamps. NOA works on more roads and more situations and all without driver interventions.

    Basically, Nissan is releasing something similar to NOA, slightly inferior, but it uses camera to monitor driver so you and others herald it as superior. But Tesla released NOA which is superior in capability, just requires nags, months before Nissan. Nissan is the one catching up.
     
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    Testing driver attentiveness with a camera sounds nice, but I imagine it might be a pain in reality:

    What might cause the camera to think you're not attentive? Glare on prescription lenses? Slouching? Squinting? Are you allowed to wear sunglasses while driving?
     
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    @Bladerskb One more thing. Except for the camera monitoring driver attention which you find superior to Tesla's nags, everything else about Nissan's system is the same or slightly inferior (no exit ramps) to Tesla's NOA that was released back in March. And Nissan's system comes out in the Fall at the same time that Tesla will release FSD that can do coast to cast drives hands off. Nissan is not years ahead of Tesla.
     
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    You made me laugh out loud when I read that part. The second coast was also a Freudian slip that I may agree with.
     
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    Tesla absolutely could if they wanted to but they won't because Elon is against it. He sees it as an unnecessary intermediary step because he wants to go straight to L4/5 hands off where driver attention is not required at all. Basically, Tesla is working to get their FSD good enough where monitoring the driver attention is irrelevant.
     
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    How do these systems work when you’re wearing sunglasses?
     
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    They don't work or won't work well. The system has to see your eyes.
     
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    I was curious so I read up on GM's Super Cruise. Found this article: https://jalopnik.com/cadillac-is-already-fixing-super-cruise-1834420496

    They claim to be working on it, but their system disengages when bright sunlight hits a driver's face, or when a driver is wearing polarized sunglasses.
     
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    I know for me, wearing sunglasses is important because my eyes are sensitive to strong UV radiation or the bright glare off of fresh snow. So there are a lot of instances on bright sunny days where I need to wear sunglasses in order to see more comfortably. A system that requires I not wear sunglasses would be an issue. So for me a system that monitors my attention with a camera, if it does not work well with sunglasses, would be a problem.

    Autopilot's nag system works for because I can wear sunglasses with no problem and just tug the wheel periodically. And when Tesla's FSD is good enough to remove the nags completely, I can keep wearing sunglasses and drive hands free.
     
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    I like the OP's confidence that this system "rivals" Tesla when it isn't even out yet.
     
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    @diplomat33 Driver monitoring can be made to work with sunglasses, that is not an issue when done right with dedicated IR camera.

    But I get it: when someone else does something it is bad, when Tesla does it it is good.

    I mean Tesla’s torque sensing has no issues right......
     
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    Thanks. I just know what I have read about how some systems had issues. Glad to know if it is not an issue anymore.

    Not sure what you are getting at. Tesla is not using a camera monitoring system so it's not the case that I am praising Tesla for doing it but criticizing others for doing the same thing.

    In terms of Tesla's torque sensing, it works 100% for me. Once you learn the right motion, it is effortless. I dismiss the AP nag with one finger.
     

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