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Nissan Leaf - buyers claim they were misled on range and charging speed UK)

Discussion in 'Electric Vehicles' started by thegruf, Jun 30, 2018.

  1. thegruf

    thegruf Active Member

    Mar 24, 2015
    ... marketing brochure claimed the car could do 235 miles on a single charge.
    But having bought the car, he found the range was actually 155 miles ...

    ... When journalists from What Car? tested the new Leaf, they found a "real world" range of just 108 miles ...

    ... wrote to Nissan to complain, he was told that rapid charging was only intended for use once in a journey - something many buyers may be unaware of ...

    .... Nissan said the original claim of 235 miles was correct under an official means of measurement known as the New European Driving Cycle (NEDC).
    However, as carmakers have moved to a different measure - known as the Worldwide harmonised Light vehicle Test Procedure (WLTP) - the range is now officially 168 miles.
    Mr Dunsmore advised any upset customers to get in contact: "Come and speak to us if there's anything you're not happy with."
    Meanwhile, a number of customers have cancelled their orders...

    Nissan 'misled' buyers of electric cars

    pretty bad really, and defintiely not the way to encourage EV adoption.

    Astonishing difference between NEDC and WLTP in this instance.

    Maybe this is an example of how manufacturers game the results for a standard (NEDC) and can get caught out if the standard evolve rapidaly (WLTP). Not lying and cheating on the scale of VW but not going to win them any firends.

    Can it be that Tesla are putting too much pressure on the competition?
  2. ecarfan

    ecarfan Well-Known Member

    Sep 21, 2013
    San Mateo, CA
    Just as bad is an apparent limitation imposed by the software during a second DC charging session in a day where the charge rate is slowed significantly.

    Quote: “Nissan also told the BBC that charging can take longer than advertised, depending on conditions.

    "External ambient temperature, the type of driving you've been doing beforehand, and the heat you put into the battery if you've been doing successive charges can impact the timing," said Gareth Dunsmore, director of electric vehicles for Nissan Europe.

    He said the battery automatically slows a charge, to preserve its longevity, and to act as a safety mechanism when it gets too hot.”
    Nissan 'misled' buyers of electric cars

    The new Leaf still does not have a battery cooling system, which stuns me. See Why Nissan Has A Trick Up Its Sleeve With The New LEAF | CleanTechnica

    Quote: “No TMS (Active Cooling) — Another legacy problem, this time not from the platform itself, but from the battery supplier (AESC). Despite some development (higher density, etc.), this is still the same technology found in the current 30 kWh version, which, considering early LEAFs’ degradation problems, could be another dealbreaker for current owners looking to trade in their old units for a fresh face (& boot).

    Charging — Nissan is possibly the only brand capable of replicating (to a point, at least) Tesla’s Supercharger network, thanks to “No Charge to Charge” programs and the presence of fast-chargers on Nissan dealerships around the world. Thing is, because the batteries lack TMS (blame it on AESC’s old technology), they cannot support faster charging than the usual 50 kW, leaving the much whispered 150 kW chargers out of the equation for now, and Tesla as the only effective >100 kW charging network at present.”
  3. Lozza12

    Lozza12 Member

    Aug 14, 2016
    New Zealand
    Happy owner of 2014 24kWh Leaf here, but this issue is why I will not buy another Nissan EV until they sort out thermal cooling.

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