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They have already broken one promise, and that was not even a technical or safety issue - where are the promised new sun visors with lighted mirrors that all cars were meant to be swapped to? Conveniently forgotten!
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The longer you owned the car, the longer the list is (4-port USB, internal hard drive, etc.). Just like I'm betting that AP2 will never reach FSD (Autonomy level 5).What does Tesla do? If they've made promises of features (stopping at stop signs, summon to front door, etc.) that they will not be able to implement? At what point are such public promises a contract?
People chose to purchase a $100k+ car, some based on getting the promised features. Will Tesla have any legal or ethical obligation? Is refunding $2500 sufficient if the impact is having purchased an entire car not just a single AP product? Would offering a substantial discount on upgrading to a HW2 be more appropriate or completely over the top?
Exactly what, exactly? Is there a legal definition of "too" close in this context? If you hang back far enough to see over/around such trucks it is extremely likely that someone will cut between you and the truck.Then you're too close to the truck. I know people who have been ticketed for exactly this.
The longer you owned the car, the longer the list is (4-port USB, internal hard drive, etc.). Just like I'm betting that AP2 will never reach FSD (Autonomy level 5).
With that being said, Tesla will do nothing. Tesla is also likely obligated to do nothing. Where in your contract does it state that Tesla has to make summon meet you at the door? Sure it WAS on the website when you ordered, but it's not in your contract.
Is it ethical/moral/etc. -- hell no, it's very shady.
Exactly what, exactly? Is there a legal definition of "too" close in this context? If you hang back far enough to see over/around such trucks it is extremely likely that someone will cut between you and the truck.
That's just my point -- what is AP going to do if it is behind a truck? It won't know it is even approaching an intersection. Are we proposing that it will never follow a truck so closely as to lose (potential) traffic light visibility? What is it going to do when you wind upIt is the driver's responsibility to see the light before entering the intersection. Someone else cutting in front of you, going through an intersection blindly, isn't a defense. Following a truck or bus blindly into an intersection has resulted in fatalities from being broadsided.
That said, you can sometimes get out of this ticket using an "obstructed view" defense. But we're talking about Autopilot and what should be done safely. And that means not entering an intersection without definitely knowing it's a green (or yellow) light.
That's just my point -- what is AP going to do if it is behind a truck? It won't know it is even approaching an intersection. Are we proposing that it will never follow a truck so closely as to lose (potential) traffic light visibility? What is it going to do when you wind up
squeezed between a slowing truck in front of you and a not-slowing car behind you? It is hard to imagine a better recipe for being
(illegally, yes, but none the less dangerously and annoyingly) rear-ended than to suddenly slow down while approaching a green light.
Although Elon has said that HW1 AP features will continue to improve, I don't see any incentive for Tesla to continue improvement in HW1. The number of HW1 cars are now fixed, and will be dwindling over time as they are taken out of service (e.g. accidents, etc.). The number of HW2 cars are increasing by the day, and with Model 3 volumes, HW1 will be a tiny fraction of the overall Tesla fleet.
I just don't see any rationale for additional HW1 improvements outside of standard fleet learning tweaks to current algorithms.
Anyone agree / disagree?
I just don't see any rationale...
@Topher: did you notice your browser is automatically putting "Thank you kindly" under each of your posts?
I think you may need to clear your cache.Nope.
ThAnK YoU KiNdLy.
@MarkS22, I thought we were talking about HW1 here.
You mean "like" as in "like you'd want it to work in an ideal world, where it would actually notice a stopped vehicle" and not as in "exactlyaddition to TACC where "stop sign" or "red light" behaves likes a stopped vehicle