No more radar in Model Y/3

[brettjson]

Transitioning to Tesla Vision

May 2021 builds will not have radar. Unclear if these cars are getting better cameras or AP hardware, or if they are just not putting radar to save money.

 

[Fourdoor]

So, perhaps the delivery delay is because they were attempting to make the radar-less cars have the same features as the older system via firmware / software, and now they are admitting to failure and limiting the capabilities of the new cars so they can start delivering them?

Keith

 

[Platini]

Teslas With LIDARs And No Radars — Is It The Chip Shortage?

Tesla has pulled radars from Models 3 and Y suddenly, deploying an Autopilot with less function. They've also been seen (again) testing LIDAR. The LIDAR is not significant and the radar change probably an emergency response to the chip shortage.

www.google.com

Interesting article. Especially the update at the end:
Excerpt:

But radar has some tricks up its sleeve that you would still not want to give up:

1. You get radar bounces from cars ahead of you that you can’t visually see because they are blocked by the car right in front of you. You can tell when those cars hit the brakes before you see them, before the car in front of you hits its brakes. That’s valuable.
2. Radar sees perfectly well in thick pea-soup fog and similar dense rain/snow, which LIDAR and cameras have trouble with.
3. Radar returns an immediate speed value on any target it detects, and no interpretation of many frames is needed.

 

[whisperingshad]

Probably why the Ys are sitting.

 

[Platini]

And we had fun fun fun until Elon took the radar away....

 

[Wolfpacker83]

Does this mean the car won't tell me how many feet/inches I am from the object in front of me now?

 

[Platini]

Tesla says that Summon will no longer work.
And you won't be able to use autopilot at speeds higher than 75mph. (A bummer if you drive through Texas, which has a 80mph speed limit.)
Here is more info:

 

[rubyred]

Does this mean the car won't tell me how many feet/inches I am from the object in front of me now?

I believe that’s accomplished with the ultrasonic sensors, not the radar.

 

[scubastevo80]

What about going around a turn at speed and the car two in front of you comes to a screeching halt. Isn’t radar helpful here when humans and cameras can’t see due to being blocked by the car directly in front?

 

[mtx450]

What about going around a turn at speed and the car two in front of you comes to a screeching halt. Isn’t radar helpful here when humans and cameras can’t see due to being blocked by the car directly in front?

Yes, that and also objects that pop up suddenly at night when both people and cameras cannot see it.

 

[MYMY21]

Tesla says that Summon will no longer work.
And you won't be able to use autopilot at speeds higher than 75mph. (A bummer if you drive through Texas, which has a 80mph speed limit.)
Here is more info:

My read is that Summon will work (e.g. driving in a straight line forward or backward) but Smart Summon will be disabled at delivery (ability to navigate a parking lot).

 

[OCR1]

It will be interesting to see how many people cancel or delay their deliveries once they find out that new cars no longer have radar.

 

[vinny84]

I am speculating here. If their experiment with vision only doesn’t yield same or better results compared to vision + radar, I see them retrofitting radar unit in cars in 2022. Nevertheless I feel this is a one heck of a smart move to get around part shortage. Bravo!

 

[Platini]

Tesla is removing radar from Autopilot, and it makes absolutely no sense

Tesla is removing radar from Autopilot and is replacing with it a camera-based system. Model

thenextweb.com

 

[brettjson]

Tesla is removing radar from Autopilot, and it makes absolutely no sense

Tesla is removing radar from Autopilot and is replacing with it a camera-based system. Model

thenextweb.com

I wonder whether those of us that have radar will have it turned off and lose the ability to go over 75mph.

 

[whisperingshad]

It will be interesting to see how many people cancel or delay their deliveries once they find out that new cars no longer have radar.

probably less than 1%

 

[aacc]

I’m waiting on a Y and a seriously considering declining until this is clear. I’d hate to have one of the devalued Y’s without radar as I fully expect them to reverse this when shortages end. Imagine if people ask when buying used “is yours one of the 2021 batch without radar?”
So, unless Tesla really has some new cameras in the car, cameras cannot accomplish alone what radar and cameras can together.

 

[aacc]

I’m waiting on a Y and a seriously considering declining until this is clear. I’d hate to have one of the devalued Y’s without radar as I fully expect them to reverse this when shortages end. Imagine if people ask when buying used “is yours one of the 2021 batch without radar?”
So, unless Tesla really has some new cameras in the car, cameras cannot accomplish alone what radar and cameras can together.

But, hey, I’m also new to this so I’d love all of your thoughts!

 

[kylowatt]

I’m waiting on a Y and a seriously considering declining until this is clear. I’d hate to have one of the devalued Y’s without radar as I fully expect them to reverse this when shortages end. Imagine if people ask when buying used “is yours one of the 2021 batch without radar?”
So, unless Tesla really has some new cameras in the car, cameras cannot accomplish alone what radar and cameras can together.

Yea... I don't know how I feel about this either. To be honest I don't know enough about how or why radar is used and the implications of it's removal.

BUT right now, to me this is a "Just trust me bro" moment said right before all hell breaks loose. I hope I'm wrong and it turns out amazing though.

 

[vitosans]

I am supposed to pick up my Model Y in 5 hours. I have emailed order support and my SA about this, and it's been silent. I am a bit afraid of beta testing pure vision. I feel like this is google photos all over again. Allowing free unlimited photo storage, so they can perform machine learning and create a dataset of your photos. They said they are doing this to 3's and Y's - Their high volume cars. Sounds like guinea pigs?

I am 100% sure this has to do with the chip shortages, and while pure vision will someday work on par or better today it's not even on the same level as radar. I ordered in early April, so there is hope that I still have radar-equipped - If I get there and it's not equipped I am not sure what I am going to do.

1. it's no longer the car I test drove and can't do the things I tested in the same way.
2. I am not getting any kind of discount for a lesser product.
3. am I willing to risk the safety of my family and myself?