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NPR all things considered review.

Discussion in 'Model S' started by William13, Jun 18, 2012.

  1. William13

    William13 Member

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    Did anyone else hear the Tesla Model S review on NPR today? A few inaccuracies I think but a very positive review. I think it was a teaser for a bigger review.
     
  2. gg_got_a_tesla

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    Tick, tock, tick, tock ...
     
  5. nrcooled

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    I did catch the review and as the OP said, there are a couple of inaccuracies. I like the fact that the car is getting so much good press and great reviews thus far. Tesla still has the big dogs (i.e. Motor Trend, Car and Driver, Top Gear, etc.) to contend with.

    On the other hand, I am just really looking forward to reviewing it myself.
     
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    Motor Trend just did a very positive long term on the Volt. So, we know that they are open to being positive on EVs. Or perhaps GM just did a large ad purchase :)

    2011 Chevrolet Volt Verdict - Motor Trend
     
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    Or maybe its just people coming around and realizing there is better tech out there. Isn't this what we have been telling the average driver all along? We shouldn't be surprised to see these cars get great reviews, as long as the reviewer is honest.
     
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    I do worry about some loose nut from motor city or the refinery who's just jonesin to give a black eye to EVs / TS. But I think the way Elon is rolling this out, slowly building on and proving the tech, licensing the technology to Toyota and Benz, timing the media, building public anticipation, and now adding the nationwide store fronts... will make for some very powerful/positive momentum. :smile:
     
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    Well, that was disappointing. About 30 seconds and way off base. Called it a roadster, had the price and acceleration numbers wrong. I suppose it falls under "any press is good press", but that wasn't worth the time it took to listen :(.
     
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    Not much information. The 0-60 time was wrong. the car will cost more then 50k... um.. very vague..
     
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    Well she had it right, the Dude didn't. Almost wonder if they pulled his sound bite from another test drive of a Roadster, and inserted it here.
     
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    Kinda sounded like it
     
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    Actually I am waiting for a major reviewer to give an independent check on the 0-60 time for the performance model. It's not unusual at all for a manufacturer to manage expectations so that a reviewer is pleasantly surprised when they get the car. GM has done that for years with the Corvette, listing a slower time and letting Motor Trend rave about actual times when they get the car.

    As far as I can tell, Tesla has been slippery about the weight of the vehicle or it's drive train. But we know that a similar, first generation, drive train in in the Lotus Elise and managed to achieve significantly better acceleration then the ICE version of the car.

    For the Model S, Tesla has at times listed weights for the car that put it solidly in the same class as a BMW 5 series at ~2 tons. But unlike the Roadster, the Model S was purpose built as an electric. It is lightweight aluminum construction. It has an advertised drag coefficient of 0.22 (BMW 5 Series is 0.26) which is a world beater that is possible mainly because of the flat underbody caused by its battery. Every point of reduction of drag coefficient is worth ~100kg in weight reduction once you get up past 30-50mph. Weight, plus engine power, plus drag coefficient = acceleration and we don't know any of them except for what Tesla tells us.

    All we know is that Tesla is advertising 4.4 0-60 and the only incentive that they have to be accurate is to not have an actual number HIGHER than that. They have every incentive to beat the number. And they have the technology to do it. Joe Blow on NPR claimed 4.1 after riding in it. Either he misquoted the spec or he used a stop watch.

    The other shoe waiting to drop when a major reviewer gets the car is that it has a ridiculously low center of gravity. Like, top of the line sports car low. The car is also extremely wide for its size and has an amazing weight distribution. In theory it should be able to trounce it's competition in all facets of performance. And again, with a solid backlog of reservations there is little need for Tesla to be specific, and it has every incentive to over deliver expectations. So what did NPR guy say specifically? "It's a Roadster." "It accelerates 0-60 in like 4.1 seconds." Since it's a sedan, it obviously isn't a roadster (small R). He is likely comparing it, very directly, to the TESLA Roadster, as opposed to say it's ostensible BMW 5 series competition that it seems capable of beating in every performance category.
     
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    Pretty sure he got a ride in a Roadster and mistakenly thought it was the Model S. Despite the brief nature of the report, it was pretty erroneous, which seems atypical for most NPR stories.
     
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    It sounded almost like they used old audio of someone talking about the Roadster since I'm not sure any journalist has been able to drive the Model S yet.
     
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    Thread title is a bit misleading. That barely over a minute clip isn't a review IMO.

    My translation of it was ... "Hey the Tesla Model S is coming out very soon. It's cool and fast!" The End.

    Very little substance and what is there doesn't match up w/ the specs Tesla uses.
     
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    IIRC, Top Gear defended itself after blatantly lying about the Roadster by saying that it is a comedy show, not a car review show.

    The guy is clearly talking about the Roadster. Some editor mistakenly stuck in the wrong clip. That's easier for me to believe, than a car reporter not knowing that a roadster is a small two-seat sports car, not a big sedan. My customer advocate told me my non-sport Roadster would do 4.1 if charged in Standard mode.

    Pretty worthless little clip. I quit listening to ATC a long time ago.
     
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    I'm not sure "revised" is the proper description. The article you cited is an excellent read about the physics of electric range. But it is not referring to a particular model or trim level. By saying "approximately" Elon can describe all Model S models while giving what might be a top line, lowest common denominator type of number.

    The (optional) spoiler on the performance model (as an example) would likely change the Cd either up or down. We have no clue what the magnitude or direction of that change is but I've heard that an otherwise cosmetic spoiler can add or subtract Cd on the scale of 0.01.

    My basic point stands. We don't have real data and Tesla has an incentive to under promise and over deliver on all of their claims. Likely they will only succeed in matching most of their claims, but it would not surprise me in the least if the Model S Performance turns out to accelerate faster than 4.4 0-60.
     

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