NYT article: Stalled on the EV Highway

[Norbert]

Not at all... they went after the BBC and Top Gear

That's just another non-sequitur.

 

[Kevin Sharpe]

That's just another non-sequitur.

Well we can all use a dead language and choose our own version of events... bottom line, if Tesla have a real case they should pursue NYT or shut up IMO... all these silly tweets from Elon just feed the fanboys.

 

[GSP]

Not at all... they went after the BBC and Top Gear

And Tesla found out what standards the law requires of the media. Not much.

Besides, proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the reporter had malicious intent, instead of incompetence, would be unlikely.

GSP

 

[Norbert]

Well we can all use a dead language and choose our own version of events... bottom line, if Tesla have a real case they should pursue NYT or shut up IMO... all these silly tweets from Elon just feed the fanboys.

That's about 3-4 insults, plus patronizing, in one sentence.

 

[Kevin Sharpe]

And Tesla found out what standards the law requires of the media

So given they know exactly whats required to make a case they will hopefully have been fully prepared.

 

[Norbert]

Besides, proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the reporter had malicious intent, instead of incompetence, would be unlikely.

Agree (unless Tesla has more proof than we know of) about malicious intent. However visible "incompetence" is not acceptable for a NYT article, I'd think, especially if it is damaging, and requires different responses at least after the "fact".

 

[NigelM]

.... if Tesla had an unassailable case they would have forced NYT to issue a full retraction or pursue this through the legal process... they have done neither.

This has been stated several times by folks outside the U.S. so here's a quick heads-up:

1. Legal action is expensive and slow. Look at the press coverage that's clearly been won by Tesla, which means there really wouldn't be anything more to be gained from a legal case.
2. The first amendment to our constitution pretty much guarantees freedom of the press, so it's tough to win a judgement against someone's opinion. Proving defamation isn't easy so there's no guarantee of victory even if you're completely right.

Tesla has basically said story over, and they came out of it pretty well thanks to the likes of CNN, CNBC and an intrepid band of TMC members. Members here can carry on discussions but IMO this thread is starting to go around in Milford circles.

 

[Norbert]

The final leg of his trip was 61 miles and yet he disconnected the charge cable when the range display stated 32 miles. He did so expressly against the advice of Tesla personnel and in obvious violation of common sense.

(From Tesla's blog.) I don't think Broder actually got that advice in the way he claimed in the article.

EDIT: Posted this before reading Nigel's message above.

 

[Al Sherman]

This has been stated several times by folks outside the U.S. so here's a quick heads-up:

1. Legal action is expensive and slow. Look at the press coverage that's clearly been won by Tesla, which means there really wouldn't be anything more to be gained from a legal case.
2. The first amendment to our constitution pretty much guarantees freedom of the press, so it's tough to win a judgement against someone's opinion. Proving defamation isn't easy so there's no guarantee of victory even if you're completely right.

Tesla has basically said story over, and they came out of it pretty well thanks to the likes of CNN, CNBC and an intrepid band of TMC members. Members here can carry on discussions but IMO this thread is starting to go around in Milford circles.

^^^This. It's not against the law in America to be stupid. IMO we (our community) came out WAY ahead. No expensive legal wrangling necessary.

 

[Kevin Sharpe]

This has been stated several times by folks outside the U.S. so here's a quick heads-up:

1. Legal action is expensive and slow. Look at the press coverage that's clearly been won by Tesla, which means there really wouldn't be anything more to be gained from a legal case.
2. The first amendment to our constitution pretty much guarantees freedom of the press, so it's tough to win a judgement against someone's opinion. Proving defamation isn't easy so there's no guarantee of victory even if you're completely right.

Just so you don't think I'm a complete novice here, I own a US corporation and have successfully participated in legal proceeding in the US.

Tesla has basically said story over

Really? Elon tweeted yesterday "Enough sour grapes from @NYTJamesCobb (auto ed) and a few others to start a winery. Can we just bury hatchet & move on?" & "Thought it was over, but impressively out of touch NYT auto editor says: “@NYTjamescobb: Unaware of a single error of provable fact.” Wow"

Members here can carry on discussions but IMO this thread is starting to go around in Milford circles.

Agreed... nothing much to be gained now IMO because it's all down to who you believe... for me I'm happy the driver made mistakes while using new technology.

 

[NigelM]

Agreed... nothing much to be gained now IMO because it's all down to who you believe... for me I'm happy the driver made mistakes while using new technology.

Thanks. I don't think anyone will disagree with that.

 

[adiggs]

Tesla has basically said story over, and they came out of it pretty well thanks to the likes of CNN, CNBC and an intrepid band of TMC members. Members here can carry on discussions but IMO this thread is starting to go around in Milford circles.

Wait -- Nigel, did you just say that this thread is Brodering? :biggrin:

 

[napabill]

"just a driver who makes mistakes"

Which have, so far, been unacknowledged by the author. Pinned it all on TM and the technology.

 

[Norbert]

I agree. Excellent point, never thought about it like that. 200miles/22mpg=9.09 gallons (9.09*$3.50=$31.81) so could even be more than two hours at work if you do after tax income.

I continued this thought in the Supercharger thread, here:

Tesla Supercharger network - Page 108

 

[ckessel]

NYT seems pretty intent on trying to kill Tesla. Another article, going to be page AU1, so front page of some section on Sunday. To my eye it's pretty heavily tilted negative and to Broder's defense:
After a Charging System Test, a Debate Erupts Online - NYTimes.com

 

[dsm363]

This story is getting stranger by the day. For the Times to ignore the fact that Broder never did a full charge or admit to him being at fault at all for running out is odd. They treat rated range as an absolute range and don't bother to explain what it means. Very disappointed in them.

 

[scriptacus]

NYT seems pretty intent on trying to kill Tesla. Another article, going to be page AU1, so front page of some section on Sunday. To my eye it's pretty heavily tilted negative and to Broder's defense:
After a Charging System Test, a Debate Erupts Online - NYTimes.com

Wow, absolutely no mention of Broder's inaccurate notes or the NYT public editors admission of poor judgement. What a one sided depiction of the series of events.

 

[stopcrazypp]

Agreed... nothing much to be gained now IMO because it's all down to who you believe... for me I'm happy the driver made mistakes while using new technology.

Author doesn't agree, nor does a lot of his defenders. They pin everything either on the technology or Tesla reps. After all the rebuttals, author still pretty much represents himself as blameless. The new NYT article on this whole ordeal concludes with pretty much the thing (car should be able to make trips without any prior planning otherwise it's the failure of the car).

The car isn't a self driving car. It can't charge itself without the driver plugging it in and can't leave without the driver unplugging it. So there are certainly driver decisions that can affect the success of any trip no matter what the car is powered by. So far a lot of people to fail to see this.

 

[4sevens.com]

I never had much respect for the NYT. In my eyes they just went down a few more notches.

Now their own writers are contradicting themselves.

The proper way to save from the egg-in-the-face is simple. Apologize and fire Broder and be done with it.

 

[ckessel]

Talked to one of the Portland store folks yesterday and the NYT has made their life really difficult lately, combined with Tesla's stock dropping like a stone on the 4th quarter results. People come in the store to basically slam Tesla and insult them. And this is Oregon; a liberal, green state. I'd hate to be in the Texas store.