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OEM CCS adapter now available to order in North America, Retrofit for older cars coming in 2023
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It’s interesting that Tesla’s official solution for the Model S includes a wiring harness. I wonder if the Model 3’s official solution will be anything like FalconFour’s bundle of wires method. If it’s electrically the same with the same gen 4 charge port controller upgrade and no board revisions that will be funny.
Yes. I’m not sure where in here (this forum), but there was a guy back about Christmas that ordered door sills and the box that arrived was a retrofit kit. Before he made the return arrangements he cracked it open and took some picks. Seems like it basically is the same as the DIY thread. (Mind you, I am working from memory, and without rereading the DIY thread or finding the one with the pics.)
android04
Active Member
The retrofit does not involve the HV battery, just the charge port controller.
I'm guessing Tesla is just waiting to be able to produce and have enough stock of the charge port controller. At least one of the microchips on it was affected by the chip shortage.
Nope. They told me no about a week ago. Someone in another forum said they were able to for about $200 but I haven’t heard yes from anyone else…
I checked this in my tesla app yesterday morning (jan 19th 2023) to see if it was available for my model 3. It still says "appointments are currently unavailable, check back in early 2023".
I know there is a third party way to do this, and my car is recently out of the 4 year warranty (2018 Model 3P), but I am one who happens to like parts / solutions from the manufacturer when its possible. I dont need this at all, and I already have a CCS adapter for my wifes model Y, but at this point I plan on keeping my model 3 for a while so want to have it be as "up to date" as is fairly easily possible.
As soon as someone can schedule an appointment with tesla to get the official retrofit kit, we will probably see it posted about here somewhere on TMC.
I know there is a third party way to do this, and my car is recently out of the 4 year warranty (2018 Model 3P), but I am one who happens to like parts / solutions from the manufacturer when its possible. I dont need this at all, and I already have a CCS adapter for my wifes model Y, but at this point I plan on keeping my model 3 for a while so want to have it be as "up to date" as is fairly easily possible.
As soon as someone can schedule an appointment with tesla to get the official retrofit kit, we will probably see it posted about here somewhere on TMC.
What's the charge speed (kW) on the Y with the adapter? Can you get to 250kW? I have a Chademo adapter, and a 2018 model 3, so I'm curious if it's worth the upgrade (when available)
comanchepilot
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My wife has a 2021 [Delivery Dec 10, 2021] and she cannot buy a CCS adapter at all. So I'm assuming that you cannot USE a CCS adapter in her vehicle.
We can buy one for my 2023 M3P. So I will. We have family in Lakeside Pinetop AZ - and to get there we have to go through Globe - which has had a Supercharger 'planned' in a few months for 5 years now - She can get to her brothers house in her S without a problem - but charging up there is either very slow destination pay per view at a hotel or 110v at his house which would take days.
I can barely get there [its a 4000 elevation gain] with my M3P zipping along at 70-75 mph but can use a Plug America 350kw [obviously limited to 11.3kwh by the onboard vehicle charger] once there with the CCS adapter - there is also a CCS station in Globe - 30 min there gets me to Lakeside well charged.
We can buy one for my 2023 M3P. So I will. We have family in Lakeside Pinetop AZ - and to get there we have to go through Globe - which has had a Supercharger 'planned' in a few months for 5 years now - She can get to her brothers house in her S without a problem - but charging up there is either very slow destination pay per view at a hotel or 110v at his house which would take days.
I can barely get there [its a 4000 elevation gain] with my M3P zipping along at 70-75 mph but can use a Plug America 350kw [obviously limited to 11.3kwh by the onboard vehicle charger] once there with the CCS adapter - there is also a CCS station in Globe - 30 min there gets me to Lakeside well charged.
pdx_m3s
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The adapter supports 250kW. There’s verified examples of people actually getting over 250kW in a Model S.
I've hit over 150kw with my M3 RWD. IIRC, the CHAdeMO adapter is limited to 50kw.
By 'Plug America' I assume you mean 'Electrify America' and a 350KW DCFC. If so, and assuming the DCFC is working properly you should get about the same speed as you'd get with a Tesla V3 SC, except that you might be initially limited in charging speed by the need to warm up the battery, as Tesla hasn't implemented battery preconditioning for DCFC in North America.
Most EA stations will be a little slower than superchargers, given high potential charging speeds. EA stations max out at about 500 amps because that's nominally where the CCS standard tops out at (and many will max out lower). That means that at low SoC, if your pack voltage is only .. say 300V, a CCS charger will max out at 150kW (and you'll usually need to use a 350kW charger to even see that).
I've seen over 200 at a supercharger, but never over 200 on CCS.
Edit: the protocol appears to be able to specify more than 500 amps, and we're starting to see chargers that will go over 500 amps, so ... I don't know that this limit will stick around. But 500 amps is still hard on a cable, so ...
I've seen over 200 at a supercharger, but never over 200 on CCS.
Edit: the protocol appears to be able to specify more than 500 amps, and we're starting to see chargers that will go over 500 amps, so ... I don't know that this limit will stick around. But 500 amps is still hard on a cable, so ...
In my experience the biggest difference in speed between Tesla SCs and 150kw+ DCFCs is the lack of battery preconditioning when navigating to a DCFC.
pdx_m3s
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If you know where you’re going, just punch in the closest Supercharger to the nav. This will turn on preconditioning.
That's definitely an issue, but once I fix that, I still max out lower on CCS. (I've gotten 180-ish on a 350. I don't think I've ever gotten over 120 on a 150. And I've gotten ~220 on a V3.)
Yes, I have to use preconditioning to even get those numbers.
