Off topic galore

[mongo]

I concur Mongo but will it be an option, standard, or not offered... I guess nobody knows that but Tesla, yet.

Doubt they would make it a paid option.
As to standard feature, I guess it might come in handy off roading, but otherwise it just wears on the tires/ suspension (but then the same is true for burnouts)...

 

[mongo]

Please don't say "tank." At least not this week!

/s

What, you don't want TSLA to turn tomorrow?

 

[mongo]

Doubt they would make it a paid option.
As to standard feature, I guess it might come in handy off roading, but otherwise it just wears on the tires/ suspension (but then the same is true for burnouts)...

@wipster
Unless they did an off road package with in place rotate, skid plates, push bars, rockers, and increased water sealing, then maybe bundled?

 

[replicant]

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I bet Firefox users better protect their privacy and aren't tracked as well as others. I'm on Firefox (with strict ETP, cookie auto-delete and uBlock in hard mode) and often change my user agent to "browse as Chrome". Also on Firefox Android with similar set up.

 

[Joe F]

What, you don't want TSLA to turn tomorrow?

Sure! Having a house built with a 25 foot deep garage to house the CT. Would love to pull straight in, close the garage door, tank turn and pull straight out. Neighbor reactions would be priceless. Width of the garage might be a problem though. I'm sure walls move if pushed hard enough.

Also need the SP to turn around before going for financing, too. We're less than 3 months to closing, and looking to lock in soon before the Fed moves too far too fast. Would be nice to have the portfolio settle down debone then. First world problems.

 

[mongo]

Sure! Having a house built with a 25 foot deep garage to house the CT. Would love to pull straight in, close the garage door, tank turn and pull straight out. Neighbor reactions would be priceless. Width of the garage might be a problem though. I'm sure walls move if pushed hard enough.

Also need the SP to turn around before going for financing, too. We're less than 3 months to closing, and looking to lock in soon before the Fed moves too far too fast. Would be nice to have the portfolio settle down debone then. First world problems.

Yeah,mortgage rates...
Need a 3 bay garage with a turntable.

 

[JRP3]

Doubt they would make it a paid option.
As to standard feature, I guess it might come in handy off roading, but otherwise it just wears on the tires/ suspension (but then the same is true for burnouts)...

Was it Rivian who tried it but found it difficult to control if not on flat ground? I think it basically ended up spinning toward the down slope so you might end up in more trouble than when you started when used in the wrong situation.

 

[mongo]

Was it Rivian who tried it but found it difficult to control if not on flat ground? I think it basically ended up spinning toward the down slope so you might end up in more trouble than when you started when used in the wrong situation.

Sounds right. You're forcing the truck into a four wheel skid at which point there is no grip, just force vectors based on friction at that wheel and rpm. Sort of like riding a saucer or inner tube in winter.

Good memory Spartan: discussion on the problems in this article:
Why Rivian’s "Tank Turn" Stationary Spin Feature Is Delayed

 

[Joe F]

Yeah,mortgage rates...
Need a 3 bay garage with a turntable.

I remember this from the 1950’s in Philly: Dawn Donuts had a turntable. It was really cool!

 

[JRP3]

Would love to pull straight in, close the garage door, tank turn and pull straight out. Neighbor reactions would be priceless.

Indeed, as you'd be coming out in a cloud of tire smoke. The turntable idea would be cheaper.

 

[Joe F]

Indeed, as you'd be coming out in a cloud of tire smoke. The turntable idea would be cheaper.

So, no to the turntable, but add some mirrors on the wall to go with the smoke and it’s a magic act!

 

[mongo]

@Dutchie

Correct (and huzzah Latin!) but I believe the common usage in military settings is a 10% reduction in one's force.
Ex: I fully expect Tesla to far more than decimate Ford and GM in terms of their market share in 2023.

Having the word mean "reducing by 90%" would make the term egregiously overvalued (see what I did there)?

yah
Deci meaning tenth
Mate meaning kill, as in checkmate
put together: kill one tenth
As opposed to kill all but a tenth

 

[mongo]

A delay is a shift of date later than an announced date, which didn't happen. The delay only happened in inpatient shareholder's head.

A delay is a shift in timing, regardless if it is public or not. Can we know if this caused a delay? No, which I said in both posts. Can we know this didn't cause a delay? Also no.

Back to your original post:

The only thing that is delayed is some sort of announcement today.

The only think we know is delayed is the proxy, however the split could be delayed. You cannot say the split has not been delayed from Tesla's original timing; thus, it cannot be definitively said that the proxy was the "only thing" delayed.

 

[mongo]

@Discoducky , a little more context:

It was in the news already:
Tesla fights shareholder push to ditch carbon-rich crypto

This proposal goes against current Tesla activities
Tesla, Blockstream, Block to Mine Bitcoin Using Solar Power in Texas

Source? I looked but couldn't find anything...

 

[mongo]

This is a Tesla fan board, any discussion of funnelling excess renewable capacity to crypto production rather than stationary energy storage or EV charging should result in castration.

That assumes there is storage or vehicles to charge.
In the situation where there is excess capacity beyond available demand, crypto allows monitization of the generation overhead.

A new power installation would like to be oversized to the present demand to leverage cost savings due to scale and handle future demand increase. This makes the system less cost effective in the present, unless the surplus can be utilized.
Normal load curves vs solar vs design requires the storage gets full at some point in the day.

 

[mongo]

I couldn’t rewatch it in the moment, but I trusted you were correct. And mostly I was speaking out loud (and making a note to myself to rewatch when I could - and I still will) unable to remember how the conversation went, the same way so many others talk out loud here.

Again, thank you for finding the relevant information.

For the record, that was a light hearted comment due to the timestamp starting with why he was mad at the SF SEC.

 

[mongo]

The specifically call out why the Lexus one has a functional benefit right near the top.

And contrasts it later to the Tesla one



Which is something nearly every review of the Tesla yoke has mentioned.


There's a significant functional difference between the two systems-- one most obvious in exactly those kind of low speed hand/over/hand turns- and they specifically call that out.

Likewise they call out the downside of steer by wire-



The typical Lexus driver of this car is unlikely to care about that- so this trade off would be worthwhile to them.

Someone planning to track their Plaid often might care about this though and be unwilling to make that trade-off.


Infiniti somewhat famously used steer by wire on their sport sedan and it was panned for exactly that reason- the lack of feel in a "drivers car"

Perhaps the reason Elon said it'd be years before they had progressive steering is he's still working on a way to NOT have to pick one or the other.



Again- there's lots of bias in the media.

This ain't that.

Those are valid points, did you have any thoughts on what I quoted?
The anti-Tesla author got hurt when a force feedback PC driving sim yoke spun and hit his hand. He extrapolates that to how much worse Tesla's yoke must be. Totally ignoring that the dynamics are completely different, especially in a mechanically linked system.
The complaints regarding the phyiscal shape should carry over to Lexus (if they are real) as 150 degrees is sufficient to induce the same concerns. It actually has worse failure modes as there is no mechanical damping.
I thought the Lexus article was pretty good, other than referencing Tesla and stating opions as fact without any actual experiance.
"As for Tesla's trendsetting yoke, it has a physical connection to the front wheels and still requires awkward hand-over-hand movements while turning. I haven't tried Elon's setup yet, but with all the wheel cranking and the lack of a conventional rim, it seems inferior to what Lexus has developed."

 

[mongo]

And Apple stole it from Xerox. To be fair though, he didn't even make DOS but bought it from someone who didn't know any better.

Or they both stole it from Xerox.
When Jobs accused Gates of stealing the idea, he famously answered: "Well, Steve, I think there’s more than one way of looking at it. I think it’s more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it.”
On the ligher side:

 

[CLK350]

Reposting here as I'm not sure this post won't be deleted in the Elon thread re Twitter's significance for Tesla followers and investors

just checking - we aren’t supposed to talk about Elon’s political positioning on the investment thread, the Elon & Twitter thread or the Elon Musk thread right?

Although I respect the mods here, it is really a blind eye to just decide to ignore the very very public CEO of Tesla and pre-determine that his political stance will have no impact on the company or the Tesla community.

I don't think folks, even here realize (or want to see) that Elon's latest move is perfectly in tune with what he has been doing forever: when he sees abnormal, large dysfunctional issues that can be addressed, he does go after them.

He did start with the one he figured out while in his first stint as intern in a Canadian bank: why are we still paying with checks for online purchases, as well as other inefficiencies in the financial system. Fortunately he didn't get to go beyond selling his stake to what would eventually be Paypal. Because he would have tried to go against a rather huge behemoth.

That same behemoth, the financial industry ( see www.cabonbubble.net ) has been the true enemy of Tesla, pushing the SEC and the mass media FUD all along.

Now Tesla can't be stopped, only slowed down. Not only does Tesla have the best tech and best manufacturing, best products in high demand everywhere regardless of the FUD, they also don't depend on Wall Street anymore re financing needs: besides their cash generating gigafactories, the Chinese are eager to continue and help them. Because the Chinese aims align with Tesla's (They do not have oil & gas reserves, nor atomic plants for energy).

The real obstacle to Tesla then can now be tackled, and rather than buy politicians or lobbyists Elon prefers rallying public opinion, and therefore votes, to change the political landscape currently owned by the mafia like big corps ( BlackRock and Vanguard and whoever controls them, see How BlackRock, Vanguard, and UBS Are Screwing the World ).

This is a gutsy move on Elon's side, but REALLY is an even bigger challenge than Tesla was. And I think Elon has the tools to address it successfully.

1. Tech. Social platform engineering has been immensely successful in manipulating the masses. See what Facebook was able to accomplish or was complicit in letting other accomplish. With bots and social engineering boxing people into echo chambers, then manipulating them.
Tesla's FSD requirements pushed it to actually come closer to solving the AGI problem than anyone else. Once the FSD issue is solved with Dojo and their NN algos, they can tackle social engineering with the same tech, using Twitter posters as pilots for learning purposes.

2. Psych issues (and their political ramifications). Elon certainly has thought a lot about the basics. For those who claim he hasn't the knowledge of specialists in the field: like for rockets, Elon is a quick learner, *AND* he is excellent at hiring and attracting the best in the field.

These are off the cuff notes; please feel free to amplify or correct any of this. Hopefully the mods won't wipe this post. The main investment thread is probably (and rightfully so) wary in engaging the Twitter issue, but time will tell if this was a good decision. Not only will the Twitter thing hugely influence TSAL the SP, but it itself may become a large profitable investment in itself (which is why Elon created X holding companies recently too).

 

[CLK350]

Re posted here in case the mods of the main investing thread delete that post

If so, Elon hasn’t shown himself to be particularly great at anything to do with AI. As they were getting ready to roll out Mobileye way back when, he didn’t think AI was needed for FSD. Then they tried to replicate Mobileye using more simplistic AI. It wasn’t until they hired Karpathy before they had something decent. But even
then he has consistently overshot what the systems they built were capable of doing. He’s now making the same mistake with Teslabot. A robot that is trained at the factory isn’t going going to be flexible enough to work in most real world jobs. Driving a car is much, much simpler than what a humanoid AI would have to deal with. My point is that Elon hasn’t shown himself to add much value to AI efforts.

This argument is actually a huge credit to Elon: he does start with what seems the right approach. Like originally trying to fit the electric powertrain and batteries into a Lotus car frame - then when he realizes it was a mistake, re-examines and starts afresh. Same thing happened with the Model 3 ramp: it was overly automated, leading to major bottlenecks. Well, he realized he made a mistake and corrected course, hired and eventually bought the best specialists (Grohman) to help with automation.

In the case of AI, same thing. Once he realized the Mobileye approach wasn't working, he asked the most knowledgeable tech in the field (Karpathy) what could be done, whether he could do it. Then handed him a $100M budget to start the revamp. A few years later here we are, with Tesla being close to solving the AGI as it turned out to be a necessary ingredient to solving FSD.

The big item to watch, IMHO is Twitter. We've seen at the last Q1 earnings meeting, see in the TMC post above, The Limiting Factor notes , how well Elon's team is functioning. So all the teams are in place so that Elon only needs to address critical choke points

41:51 Leadership All Pulling in the Same Direction

Re Twitter, of course he doesn't master all the pieces necessary to make it a reasonably successful (financially and in terms of his objective, a townsquare type of place with freedom of speech - eschewing the many pitfalls this will entail - getting rid of bots probably the "easiest" item to tackle). Well, 1/ Elon is objective enough to know when he needs other's help, and he certainly will get the best help he can get, and 2/ Elon's not infallible, but he's shown he does recover v. well from initial mistakes*

TBH any small improvement to Twitter would be welcome (actually many new changes have already been implemented even before he takes a closer look). The conventional mass media that has been in the pocket of lobbyists etc since forever, all major FUD sters is clearly very concerned ... even our gov reacted with a "Disinformation Board", so he must be doing something big and right.

(*) Something to the effect that if you don't make mistakes you're not trying hard enough (SpaceX stories abound)