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Oil companies and alternative energy

Discussion in 'Energy, Environment, and Policy' started by vfx, Apr 7, 2009.

  1. vfx

    vfx Well-Known Member

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    #1 vfx, Apr 7, 2009
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    Oil Companies Loath to Follow Obama’s Green Lead
    With all the B's thrown around in this article, the actual amount being pledged by our current administration seems small.
     
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    BP's chief scientist, Steve Koonin, was at that RGS seminar day back in January. Amongst other things, he said "photovoltaic technology is not ready yet and I hope we don't make the mistake of moving to it prematurely." I wonder what his motivation for saying that is?
     
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    Dpeilow, BP is a major producer of solar panels. Solar panels produce electricity, which currently is not used in mass to power cars. Nor is oil used in mass provide electricity.

    So where's his motivation coming from? There's no clear connection between Mr. Koonin's job and his comment. What special interest does BP hold in electricity production?
     
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    Could he be talking about unsubsidized cost per watt? PV is still pretty pricey.
     
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    Oil Industry Braces for Drop in U.S. Thirst for Gasoline - WSJ.com

    Peak Gasoline!

     
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    Oil Giants Loath to Follow Obama’s Green Lead

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/08/business/energy-environment/08greenoil.html?_r=1

     
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    Where will those FCX Clarities fill up?
     
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    Oh pretty much anywhere. Haven't you heard? Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe!
     
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    Maybe the potential to use cheap renewable electricity production to power EV's, there by ending the stranglehold of the oil industry? If oil subsidies are taken away and given to solar panels and BEV's their whole regime crumbles as they don't have a consortium that controls electricity production. As solar and other renewables comprise a larger part of the grid they lose yet another anti BEV argument, i.e. that BEV's merely move pollution from the tailpipe to the coal plant.
     
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    From DPeilow's link:
     
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    Slightly OT, but: Shareholders revolt on Shell and Next pay | Business

     
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    So hydrogen comes from natural gas, an "alternative fossil fuel" which makes it a good strategic fit for the oil companies.
     
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    These companies might do well to remember that they are in the business of energy, not oil.
     
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    #20 Brent, Jun 4, 2009
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    http://tinyurl.com/ooypbn

    Vinod Khosla thinks ethanol is better than electric cars. His reasons:

    1) Batteries are expensive, and not getting cheaper in the foreseeable future;

    2) Battery cars pollute more than ethanol [they're "coal powered"];

    3) Biofuels are a "low risk" technology that can be implemented in a short period of time;

    4) The ICE can be made forty percent efficient. This efficiency, combined with ethanol, will be the best low carbon technology for "most of the world" over the next fifteen years.
     

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