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OK, that's it. I'm going to short TSLA

Discussion in 'TSLA Investor Discussions' started by AudubonB, May 28, 2013.

  1. AudubonB

    AudubonB Mild-mannered Moderator Lord Vetinari*

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    .....if, that is, the share price opens tomorrow at $800.

    That is all.
    ;)
     
  2. Rifleman

    Rifleman Now owns 2 Model S's!!!

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    I wont short them, but in the event of an $800 share price, I will be selling my shares, and buying a P85 Model S (and paying off my house and funding my daughters college education while I am at it).
     
  3. Johan

    Johan Took a TSLA bear test. Came back negative.

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    Gap up baby! ;)
     
  4. NigelM

    NigelM Recovering Member

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    OP does raise the point re what the true price should be. For a company that has made a small profit in one quarter and a has a fair bit of accumulated losses under their belt, Tesla is arguably over-valued already.

    (Oh boy, I wonder what sort of response that musing is going to get me....)
     
  5. Johan

    Johan Took a TSLA bear test. Came back negative.

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    If I had tonpick a price right now, knowing what we know as of right now, as a "correct" price I'd say $92.
     
  6. ShortSlaver

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    Compare to Amazon or numerous other tech companies. TSLA is just starting to get into overvalued land and has a ways to go.

    They are considered a tech and green company - both highly coveted assets right now.
     
  7. ElSupreme

    ElSupreme Model S 03182

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    But Tesla is NOT a tech company. Tech companies get valued so high because they have the potential to have massive profits, with very little capital expenditure. Building cars is WAY capital intensive. No other way about it.

    Granted 'valuation' is based on what people 'think' a company is worth. Not its real value. I find market cap to be fairly useless number.
     
  8. mitch672

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    If another article come out on "Seeking Alpha" from authors bashing TSLA who claim to have no position, I'm going to start screaming.

    What is it with these "F--kt--ds"? Get a life you TARD!
     
  9. ShortSlaver

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    Building EV's is very different from building ICE cars.

    You're right, the capital expenditure is still more than a tech company. But TSLA is more than a car company. As the far and away leader in EV technology they will continue to reap profits from their patents and other licensing for their technology.

    Creating a massive charging network becomes a bargain for other companies to pay a fee for each car they make to use it, for example.

    TSLA is the leader in an old market that is changing quickly into a new market.
     
  10. jaanton

    jaanton Roadster NA #1026

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    IC fabrication has significant capex. (see Intel) I don't see that capital intensive rules out being a tech company. Consider data centers for cloud companies.

    Financial people like to pigeon companies into categories. But that could be a problem. Tesla is IMO a hybrid company. It's applying tech company mentality to an established field. That's what disruptive technologies do. Consider Apple vs the Music industry, or Amazon vs. Consumer Discretionary. The high valuation of tech companies like this is due to their potential to challenge and possibly dominate a whole established sector.
     
  11. mitch672

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    Exactly. When the $35-40K Gen3 arrives, and the SuperCharger network is mostly built out, how will ANY other car manufacturer be able to compete? You'll have your daily, affordable driver, and if you want to take a road trip, go ahead, and oh, BTW, the fuel/cost to do so? that's free. Go ahead Japan/Detroit, answer that one. Game.Over
     
  12. Causalien

    Causalien Reaper of Trolls

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    You guys just watch. Someone is going to start TSLAbook that links all the 17" monitors of the Model S into its own social media and sell ads to a targeted rich group... Then that company is going to IPO at $50B
     
  13. 30seconds

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    they pretty much can outdo Waze from an information standpoint already. I can also imagine some mix of current plus additional sensors that can deliver a much richer set of road & traffic conditions.
     
  14. Rodolfo Paiz

    Rodolfo Paiz P85 "Plug and Play"

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    I want a Waze app in my Model S!! :eek:
     
  15. dmckinstry

    dmckinstry Model S - U.S. P - #1649

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    I'll only short TSLA if the rise in price is so rapid that I know it'll have to drop again. If it just inches it's way up to $200, $400, $800, I'll just hold.
     
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    Apparently people listened to your advice, in part, today. A circuit breaker had to stop the shorting activity. Apparently there was a massive fund that shorted a bunch which created significant downward pressure causing others to short and even more to sell causing more pressure resulting in a falling knife today. Plenty of new longs took their money and ran either profiting or triggering stop losses. The stock recovered some but there had to have been a lot of shaken buyers who needed some time alone. Classic market manipulation.
     
  18. AudubonB

    AudubonB Mild-mannered Moderator Lord Vetinari*

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    WHAT! You mean I'm going to get my very own personal interview with the SEC?!?!?!? ;)

    Besides, my advice was to sell short ONLY ef'n it gapped up to $800 on da open..... :)
     
  19. EvERES22

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    There is an interesting interview of Mark Melin (Author at ValueWalk and Alternative Investment Practitioner) in which he discusses algorithmic trading in TSLA. See the video at http://youtu.be/Bv8s2w-fAfw?t=1m26s . I wonder how much of the drop might have been due to this program trading & if we'll see more tomorrow.
     
  20. rdalcanto

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    I'm buying more TSLA tomorrow for the long term. Tesla already had set the bar too high for other manufacturers to reach, and now they just offered AWD, almost 700HP, and INCREASED efficiency further!!! I'm actually starting to feel a little bad for other manufacturers. Similar capability will be seen on the Model X, making the Model X the fastest, and most efficient SUV/crossover ever made. The fact that the stock price went down just shows that most people still don't get it yet, which means more easy money for ME!!! LOL!!!
     

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