TMC is an independent, primarily volunteer organization that relies on ad revenue to cover its operating costs. Please consider whitelisting TMC on your ad blocker or making a Paypal contribution here: paypal.me/SupportTMC

Only 2 Superchargers Under Construction?

Discussion in 'North America' started by N4HHE, Feb 20, 2016.

  1. N4HHE

    N4HHE Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2013
    Messages:
    619
    Location:
    Madison, AL
    supercharge.info lists only 2 Supercharger sites under construction in the USA, in California. 13 others under permit. Things have slowed.:frown:
     
  2. ggr

    ggr Roadster R80 537, SigS P85 29

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2011
    Messages:
    2,472
    I'm getting very tired of saying this, but just once more: We don't know how many sites are under construction. Tesla doesn't tell anyone. supercharge.info is crowdsourced, and very good at what it does, but doesn't have a connection to get up to date information about what's actually being worked on. Note that a couple of "surprise" supercharger construction/upgrades happened in the last couple of weeks, after other people started talking about the apparent slowdown. There is another thread about this already.
     
  3. Troy

    Troy Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2015
    Messages:
    436
    Location:
    #3 Troy, Feb 20, 2016
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2016
    Actually USA is doing fine in terms of number of supercharger stalls keeping up with number of Teslas on the road. I created this graph yesterday. I'm posting it for the first time here. In the USA, currently there are 64,664 Teslas and 1701 supercharger stalls. That means 38.02 Teslas per supercharger stall. USA is doing better than Switzerland, Norway, Denmark, Belgium and the Netherlands.


    FTzSgbp.gif
     
  4. jerry33

    jerry33 S85 - VIN:P05130 - 3/2/13

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2012
    Messages:
    12,743
    Location:
    Texas
    Two other charts are needed to complete the picture:

    1. Trip distance within the country vs. number of SCs. (The idea here is that if the number of long trips are few than a lower ratio of cars/SCs is not an issue--on my last long trip I used 22 unique SCs, more common are 5-7 unique on a trip).

    2. Congestion vs. number of SCs. (This one is how many depend on SCs for daily charging because there are no facilities where they live (apartments and condos).
     
  5. grichard

    grichard Member De-Luxe

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2015
    Messages:
    164
    Location:
    St. Louis, MO
    I take your point, but this seems unlikely to explain all of the present slowdown. The fact you cite was true before the current apparent slowdown, as well. For this to explain the present observations, you'd have to assume that Tesla was suddenly doing all of their construction in obscure areas.
     
  6. Firewired

    Firewired Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2013
    Messages:
    367
    Location:
    San Antonio, Texas
    I just wish they finally would make progress on the west Texas route. It is a real challenge to head that direction without Superchargers. There are not any other good options across that wide area.
     
  7. pvogel

    pvogel Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2015
    Messages:
    906
    Location:
    Santa Clara, CA
    You mean like the huge gaps in the southwest? Many places where Tesla isn't allowed to sell and therefore doesn't have a lot of owners who hang out on forums and know to report on supercharge.info, etc?
     
  8. Chris TX

    Chris TX Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2013
    Messages:
    1,482
    Location:
    Dallas, TX
  9. Lloyd

    Lloyd Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2011
    Messages:
    4,882
    Location:
    San Luis Obispo, CA
  10. grichard

    grichard Member De-Luxe

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2015
    Messages:
    164
    Location:
    St. Louis, MO
    This is absolutely possible. Not denying it.

    My point is that it was also possible back in the fall, when we generally had more construction visible on sc.net. If this is the explanation for the current apparent slowdown, then you have to assume that construction has shifted from visible areas to obscure ones. This might be true, of course, but I personally think it'd be an unlikely coincidence for it to account for all of the decreased reporting of construction.
     
  11. Rockster

    Rockster Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2013
    Messages:
    1,002
    Location:
    McKinney, TX
    #11 Rockster, Feb 22, 2016
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2016
    I think it's possible that Tesla is hoping to improve Q1 numbers by temporarily pulling back on SC construction for a quarter. I can see them thinking that the SC buildout can absorb a slow quarter, whereas they don't want to consecutive quarters showing a net loss in EPS.
     
  12. ModelNforNerd

    ModelNforNerd Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2015
    Messages:
    1,276
    Location:
    Ayer, MA
    Even though it's almost 70 degrees here in the suburbs of Boston today, it IS technically still winter.


    I'm not sure if it works this way everywhere, but in some places, your permit to build is only valid for a certain amount of time (depending on scope of the project).

    So, for example, if you know your project takes 14 days (just a rough guess, not a solid number, work with me here)...and you know you can't guarantee 14 days of weather good enough to work in over the next 90 (uuuhhhhh....WINTER), why would you pull permits in the northern states from Nov-Mar?


    Since this thread started, it appears efforts have again ramped up, and now that winter is winding down, expect to see some blue dots and orange cones on the map up north, too.
     
  13. CT200h

    CT200h Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2016
    Messages:
    21
    Location:
    Warrenton, Va
    Delaware welcome center 10 additional SC's being setup

    Not sure if this is common knowledge or not ( I tried search) noticed a large supercharger site under construction in Delaware at the welcome center , think I counted 10 stalls . Took a picture I will post. these are adjacent to the original stalls put in some time ago . The new stalls are on the south i95 side. There was a crew of 3-4 working actively and I saw tall wooden crates that appear to be the actual SC's.

    - - - Updated - - -

    scsite.jpg at least 11 to 12 stalls
     
  14. W0QR

    W0QR Member

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2015
    Messages:
    133
    Location:
    Lincoln, NE
    You're right

    My count shows only 3 supercharger activities so far this month (March 2016).

    Other months:
    Feb 2016 8
    Jan 2016 9
    Dec 2015 21
    Nov 2015 22
    Oct 2015 23
    Sep 2015 23
    Aug 2015 22
    Jul 2015 16
    Jun 2015 20
    May 2015 16
    Apr 2015 19

    de W0QR
     
  15. Cottonwood

    Cottonwood Roadster#433, Model S#S37

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2009
    Messages:
    5,062
    Location:
    Colorado
  16. LetsGoFast

    LetsGoFast Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2014
    Messages:
    1,342
    Location:
    Virginia
    That is an expansion of the Newark supercharger. They are either going from 4 to 12 or 16 stalls. There is some question about what will happen to the original 4. There are many pictures in the supercharger thread on the mid-Atlantic forum and a very active discussion.
     
  17. vinnie97

    vinnie97 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2014
    Messages:
    538
    Location:
    southwest
    Depressing pace apparently so far this year. So many interstate gaps, so little time until Model 3 (assuming it launches on time).
     

Share This Page