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Only way to use Autopilot now..Pic

Discussion in 'Model S' started by ZoomFPV, Jun 28, 2018.

  1. ZoomFPV

    ZoomFPV Member

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    I copied a posfrom another member here because this is the exact same issue I have. What I ended up doing is strapping a weight on the same side I hold the wheel. The weight is not enough to keep the nag away if you do hands off, but works great with the way I hold my wheel. Sucks I have to do this to continue using a feature that was the main reason I purchased the car. I posted this so other members that have this problem can find a working solution for them.

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    Actually this is pretty easy. It depends on how you normally drive. I get the nags every 15 seconds on highways. It is due to how I hold my hand.

    I drive in 3 positions:
    - My hand lies on the bottom end of the wheel. It is in balance, so no torque to left or right.
    - I have my arm resting on my knee and my hand lightly holds the wheel, not enough for the car to "feel" it.
    - My hand resting on my knee and my hand holds the wheel from below.

    In those positions the car does not detect my hand. In order to fix this I have to have my hand "hanging" somewhat on the wheel. Then all the nags are gone. However, this doesn't drive comfortably for me.

    If you have your hand higher up the wheel it will apply more torque to the wheel as your arm will be hanging from the wheel. Then you do not get any nags.

    For me personally, AP is unusable since 21.9. On highways it's more comfortable to steer on my own than to apply torque every 15 seconds.
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  2. Unpilot

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    I must have heavy hands cause I leave my left hand right about where the weight is in the pic above and never get nags.
     
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  3. Matias

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    This is enough. Zero nags with this grip.

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  4. ZoomFPV

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    I do that, but since I am tall, my wrist rest on my knees taking out the torque.
     
  5. Cheburashka

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    Sticking an orange right above the volume buttons doesn't work for you anymore?
     
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  6. ZoomFPV

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    I have no self control with food, orange gets eaten before even the drive starts.:p:D
     
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  7. MarcusMaximus

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    What I already did prior to this update seems to work quite well: I have a separate driver profile that lowers the steering wheel all the way(and tilts the seat back a tiny bit and switches to "Chill" acceleration, just to make it a bit more comfortable). I switch to that profile, rest my elbows on the center armrest and door armrest and have my hands at roughly 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock, just above where the little cross bar thing goes across the steering wheel(this sounds complicated when I try to explain it in words, but it's just where my hands naturally settle with the steering wheel ll the way down). That generally produces more than enough torque on the wheel to prevent any nags, and is very comfortable, even for long periods of time.
     
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  9. MIT_S60

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    Want to trade cars? I use that same grip but get nags all the time.
     
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  10. MorrisonHiker

    MorrisonHiker S 90D 2018.32.4

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    I get nags every 20 seconds using that same grip.
     
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  11. jeffdom1978

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    Just use your knee.. simple. :D
     
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  12. ewoodrick

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    It has nothing to do with the grip. I can keep the nags away with a single finger.
    It's torque.

    If I am on a curvy road, I can just basically try to keep the wheel straight. If I am on a straight road, I can add a little left rr right pressure. It's the exact same sensor that detects when you turn the wheel and the autopilot disengages.

    X amount of force = driver attentive
    More than X amount of force = driver wants to take control of the car

    And every time someone posts on how to cheat, the probabilities that Tesla will have to do something even worse increases.

    One of the biggest issues in the world today is that you design something to good, others work to find a way to break it
     
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  13. MorrisonHiker

    MorrisonHiker S 90D 2018.32.4

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    As I've mentioned in other posts, I can use that grip in one car and it works fine. I use the same grip/torque in another car and it nags every 20 seconds. We didn't have this problem in our cars before 2018.21.9.
     
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  14. ucmndd

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    I did 700 miles of AP driving over the last 3 days with this exact driving style, and can say for certain that I have a sore "AP thumb" and wrist. I find post 21.9 I need to keep far more consistent and firm pressure on the wheel to avoid spiraling into an endless string of obnoxious nags.

    I actually found myself daydreaming about how to build something that would tweet at Elon every time I got a nag. Maybe flooding something HE enjoys and seems to find value in with a bunch of extra useless annoyance will hit closer to home. ;)
     
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  16. bisoned

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    Get a heavier weight. Works for me!! I had a cheat device and after the upgrade it didn't work. I simply added more weight.... bingo
     
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  17. Red5StandingBy

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    Helps to have a double jointed thumb like you do. lol
     
  18. Red5StandingBy

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    After one day of driving on 24.1, I think I had less nags. This is a very preliminary observation and not scientific at all.
     
  19. bob_p

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    The increased nags may be Tesla's response to gimmicks like the AP Buddy, trying to bypass the sensors trying to verify the driver has hands on the steering wheel.

    If enough drivers find ways to work around the latest nags - Tesla could make the software even more sensitive, and look for varying pressure or resistance, or some other mechanism to help verify the driver is paying attention.

    The best solution is for Tesla to adjust the nag to a reasonable level (they may have gone too far) and for drivers to figure out how to adjust their driving to reduce/eliminate the nags without relying on gimmicks to bypass the safety features.

    Compared to other manufacturers, Tesla has placed relatively few restrictions on the user interface or how the car's software can operate the car. Other manufacturers usually place more restrictions - even displaying legal notifications requiring hitting an OK to use certain features. Tesla hasn't done much of this so far - and if we continue to get accidents where drivers are not using the vehicles safely the increased nag could be just the start of Tesla shifting to a more conservative interface, reducing potential legal liability and avoiding regulatory barriers to the use of the AP system.
     
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  20. Tozz

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    Tesla has that as well. When you first enable Autosteer you have to agree to some kind of EULA/legal document.

    The delivery specialists are trained in this as well, they tend to explain you all the details by going through the menu with them pressing the buttons and explaining what it all is.

    But as soon as they get to the autopilot part they let you (as new owner) make all the steps, do all the actions and press OK to the legal stuff. They only do the talking during autopilot settings walkthrough.
     

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