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OnRoute Charging Stations?

Discussion in 'Canada' started by mknox, Jul 28, 2013.

  1. mknox

    mknox Well-Known Member

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    Interesting. I e-mailed ONRoute about 3 weeks ago regarding charging infrastructure (not specifically Superchargers) and never hear back.
     
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    Sadly, getting any sort of reply seems to be a rare occurrence. But we are making progress. FYI, Press Release: https://www.facebook.com/eMileage/posts/583854694998461

    I don't mean to hijack the OP's thread since it is about SuperCharger deployments... (I am still hopeful that we will see strategic SuperCharger placements along our major highways whether or not at OnRoute rest stops.) So I commend your efforts!
     
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    I also wrote the ONroute people about 2 months ago, but never heard back. I'm looking forward to them getting things going on all the major highways. My guess is that someone in a boardroom somewhere has a white board with sales numbers for all electrics in Ontario on it, and they are waiting for the numbers to hit a critical mass before they really act. I believe that, in general, it would really help charging infrastructure in Ontario quite a bit if there were better lease options available for Volts and Leafs specifically (ie. $299 a month like we see in the US) as it would stoke the market at all levels.
     
  4. Doug_G

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    I think this is another classic Ontario government screwup.

    These are Ontario sites, but they have agreements with two companies to operate them. Canadian Tire runs the automobile service operations, and an American company runs the restaurants etc.

    The government mandated free electric vehicle charging stations, but there's absolutely no incentive whatsoever for Canadian Tire to do anything about it. If someone stops for a couple of hours to charge, they're going to spend money at the restaurants, not Canadian Tire. It will cost them money and not make them any. Never mind that they signed up to do it as part of the deal to operate the site.

    From what I've heard, the people responsible aren't terribly interested, and will probably end up installing useless 30A charging stations if they do anything. That will be perfect for the occasional Leaf driver taking two days to ferry his car along the 401. Tesla owners will of course bypass them completely, as even now there are much better options available. If they do 30A stations, they will get maybe a customer a month. Which will clearly demonstrate that there's no demand for the stations...
     
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    If Tesla doesn't put there superchargers at OnRoute where will they end up???

    I would think putting them @ the OnRoute's would be ideal...
     
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    Totally agree, OnRoute would be ideal for Superchargers. Hopefully Canadian Tire will play ball, but I'm not holding my breath.

    Failing that I hope they can find a location that's immediately beside an interchange.
     
  7. mknox

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    Is it really up to Cdn Tire? There's a ton of parking at these sites, and the Chargers / Superchargers wouldn't have to be anywhere near the Gas + pumps. I would have thought that there was someone responsible for the overall site, and it wouldn't be up to one of the tenants.
     
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    #8 Doug_G, Jul 29, 2013
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    If you were Canadian Tire, would you sign a contract that didn't give you exclusive rights to service automobiles at the site? I sincerely doubt it. Did the government think ahead and exclude electric vehicle charging? Apparently not.

    - - - Updated - - -

    This is interesting...

    HKSC has a 50 year agreement with the government:

    http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/722777/hmshost-corporation-and-kilmer-van-nostrand-co-limited-ink-50-year-agreement-to-build-23-world-class-service-centres-on-major-canadian-highways

    It appears that HKSC and Canadian Tire do indeed have their own deals with the government:

    Lexpert Magazine - Deals
     
  9. mknox

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    I suppose, but I'm thinking (hoping?) that these are very different types of vehicles that wouldn't impinge on Canadian Tire's business of selling gasoline and oil. If I pull in to an ONroute stop with my Model S, it's not like I'm going to be buying any gasoline anyway, so what does Canadian Tire care if someone else ran some EV chargers at the site. Maybe just wishful thinking on my part...
     
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    I vote they put one at Webber's, that would cover the North and give me an excuse to have another Hamburger!
     
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    Clever idea!
     
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    +1!

    guess Canadian tire wouldn't want to make some margin off of battery swap installations until market adoption is much higher eh?
     
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    It would be perfect right under their wind mill! I tried sending them an email but got a "Thanks, but no plans to put in a charging station...". I also talked to Sun Country and they were going to try. Problem with Webbers is they are not open all year round. We need something to service cottage country and North all year.

    Tesla, if you are reading, could you please put in a Supercharger on hwy 400 or Hwy 11 to service cottage country? FYI There is an Onroute station going in on the 400. We need this supercharger because after driving throughout the day on a Friday we have a couple hour wait to charge up before leaving that night for the weekend. Also, Model S owners coming from Windsor or Montreal who are turning up the 400 to cottage country will likely need to charge up on the 400.
     
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    My vote is for Gravenhurst. That would support drivers going up either side of the Muskoka Lakes or onwards towards Huntsville.

    (BTW, Duckjybe, was that you I saw at Timmy's on Hwy 11 just south of Gravenhurst last night?)
     
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    And/Or perhaps at the Onroute in Barrie which would probably be close enough to Superchargers on the 401 for people coming from the East or West. This would also service people going up the 400 extension to Georgian Bay.

    My wife went through at 3pm in our Blue MS but didn't stop. Too many ICE's getting gas, I prefer to stop elsewhere. I had to drive the truck home.:crying:
     
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    Looks like you were right, Doug. Just got a reply this morning:

    "We would like to thank you for your inquiry. At this time we do not have charging stations at our ONroute locations, and it is something that we are working on, however, we do not have a timeline whether short term or medium term as to when this service
    will be available. I do know it will be through the Canadian Tire service stations when it does happen.

    Sorry, we could not be of more help."
     
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    In other words, "long term". Maybe. Perhaps sometime next decade...

    I guess we can strike OnRoute off the list of potential sites.
     
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    Looks that way. I wrote to Canadian Tire, but am expecting something similar back.

    I've got some utility counterparts in Kingston and London keeping an eye out for any hint of Supercharger infrastructure, but so far, nothing yet.
     
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    ...and expectations met:

    Thank you for contacting our office regarding your inquiry.

    We have received the following from our Petroleum Division: We are still working on it but the program is not formulized yet.

    Thank you for your interest in Canadian Tire.
     
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    I wrote to the ministry. Probably won't have an effect, but my feeling is that Canadian Tire won't do anything until the government forces them to.
     

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