No, that was intended. My twisted logic was that clearly Tesla would like more people to order FSD given their recent change, increasing the cost after you take delivery. Though I do realize the degree to which everyone else would say it's not fair, esp those who bought it. So it's likely very flawed logic but just a first thought in regards to what Tesla might be able to do. Remember, the key here is we ARE unique if we are being allowed to cancel. So if this is a cancel vs take this offer, it's not really applicable to everyone else.
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No, that was intended. My twisted logic was that clearly Tesla would like more people to order FSD given their recent change, increasing the cost after you take delivery. Though I do realize the degree to which everyone else would say it's not fair, esp those who bought it. So it's likely very flawed logic but just a first thought in regards to what Tesla might be able to do. Remember, the key here is we ARE unique if we are being allowed to cancel. So if this is a cancel vs take this offer, it's not really applicable to everyone else.
jkirkwood001
Active Member
I appreciate the effort, but I think canvassing the Ford government is a lost cause. If we agree much of the reason they cancelled the program is for optics with their base, how would it look if the news was "Ford extends rebate to buyers of Tesla electric cars worth $65,000+". I just don't see that happening. At all.
I think, as I posted earlier, there's more chance of getting a sympathetic and self-interested federal Environment Minister Catherine McKenna to step in.
I have a feeling you are right. Not that people shouldn't canvass the Ford government and voice their displeasure though.
Too bad the feds aren't stepping up and saying that orders received effective IMMEDIATELY are HST free. I'm sure they are following this.
Too bad the feds aren't stepping up and saying that orders received effective IMMEDIATELY are HST free. I'm sure they are following this.
You might be right. But what do we have to lose by trying? Also, Ford has already won the optics game; the program is cancelled and winding down quickly. So he honours a few orders where non-refundable deposits have been placed. Big whoopy.
But I do think that petitioning McKenna is also a good idea and should be done as well. In the end, our best hope may well be a federal EV incentive program.
The optics don't have to change, just the interpretation of the current terms. Keep the terms the same, just include Tesla in the "independent dealerships" category. The general public would never know. As stated above, it really doesn't cost much to try.
Indeed - or a Federal tax credit like what they have in the US. A $10k federal tax credit would have me back on-board.
RE: Canvassing PC MPPs
Look at it like this: imagine you're invited to play a 20-30 minute game. If you win, you get a $14,000. It's free to play. If your chances of winning were 30%, 20%, or even 10% would you honestly say 'nah, odds are too low for me to spend my time doing that!' Just how low would the odds be before you decide to not even try?
Consider as well that there is strength in numbers; the more of us push for this, the greater are the odds of succeeding.
Look at it like this: imagine you're invited to play a 20-30 minute game. If you win, you get a $14,000. It's free to play. If your chances of winning were 30%, 20%, or even 10% would you honestly say 'nah, odds are too low for me to spend my time doing that!' Just how low would the odds be before you decide to not even try?
Consider as well that there is strength in numbers; the more of us push for this, the greater are the odds of succeeding.
Bluewish
Member
I think this is a good point to find for too. Tesla is a manufacture (in USA) and also a registered dealership here in Ontario.
Yep... That will be my fight if they try and not give me the rebate... I fit that description.
Doesn't matter; Tesla isn't filing the rebate for you. You are filing it for yourself. You're not a dealer. End of story.
Don't you think that if that route was possible that Tesla would have worked it?
Your saying that all dealerships 100% provide you the 14k off the car and submit the rebate? I don't think that is correct.
Dealer or not dealer, this topic already discussed, no? Tesla registered as dealer in Ontario, and EHVIP will honour if ordered (RWD) before July 11, and vehicle is delivered, registered, plated before Sep 10. So, delivery date is the problem, and AWD has only 0.01% of chance to get rebate...
Hi guys im new to this forum and I just joined to join this fight against the Incentive Cancellation that affected only the Model 3 "future owners".
Im so frustrated because I placed a deposit the same day of the review (2+ years ago), I sold my Bolt EV to order my Model 3. I had my delivery date set for june 19 and out of nowhere they told me the date was wrong and the car was still in transit so they set for July 18...
I received a call and email from my rep Rachel Lopes from Ontario yesterday with the news... I got so desperate.
Answering a few questions here, they are offering the refund of the $4200 in full. But she told me that Tesla is trying to do something about it but it wouldnt be anything for the near future...
I think Tesla could offer us a few things as part of the appreciation of the ones that still in line:
1. Discount or
2. Free upgrade or
3. Free super charger
I know Tesla doesnt have to do any of those because they got nothing to do with the government, but just to compensate for the unfair move that us believers got hit by.
And also thinking on how much they would loose if 50+% cancel their orders...
Im so frustrated because I placed a deposit the same day of the review (2+ years ago), I sold my Bolt EV to order my Model 3. I had my delivery date set for june 19 and out of nowhere they told me the date was wrong and the car was still in transit so they set for July 18...
I received a call and email from my rep Rachel Lopes from Ontario yesterday with the news... I got so desperate.
Answering a few questions here, they are offering the refund of the $4200 in full. But she told me that Tesla is trying to do something about it but it wouldnt be anything for the near future...
I think Tesla could offer us a few things as part of the appreciation of the ones that still in line:
1. Discount or
2. Free upgrade or
3. Free super charger
I know Tesla doesnt have to do any of those because they got nothing to do with the government, but just to compensate for the unfair move that us believers got hit by.
And also thinking on how much they would loose if 50+% cancel their orders...
I completed my order on June 29. Does anyone know the cancellation / refund policy. Even with the rebate I could barely justify the purchase and now without it, I can't.
(also somewhere on the post someone mentioned the long ratnge AWD model was not eligible anyway...is this correct? I was sure when put through the order, it showed I would have gotten the rebate)
Thanks.
(also somewhere on the post someone mentioned the long ratnge AWD model was not eligible anyway...is this correct? I was sure when put through the order, it showed I would have gotten the rebate)
Thanks.
The AWD wont qualify because it wont arrive by september 20
And I got a message from my rep saying they are issuing a full refund for the 4200
You may have missed this late day development from yesterday. Apparently, Tesla was notified by the Ontario government that orders in progress do NOT qualify for EHVIP. See this message below from Tesla to a prospective Model 3 owner (about to take delivery!):
The same message has been relayed to a few other forum members here by Ontario Tesla advisors. The original reddit thread is here: r/teslamotors - Just suddenly lost the Canada EHVIP rebate on a car already coming my way.
The AWD model was never eligible for the rebate since it was never on the MTO list of eligible vehicles here:
Eligible Electric Vehicles
If the rebate program had continued, AWD would likely have been added in due time. However, since the program is now cancelled, the list of eligible vehicles won't be updated.
There's definitely a time window of people who have been screwed. Basically, people who reserved early-on, waited patiently, couldn't order AWD, waited patiently some more, finally could end up ordering, missed the EVIP window. I understand it's not Tesla's fault, but they do have some ability to do some goodwill for these people (like myself). Under certain circumstances they can provide free, for the early reservation holders, EAP and FSD capability and include free supercharging while the car is owned by the original owner. This would apply to Ontario reservation holders who missed the EVIP. The value is around $10k. Tesla would probably get the revenue down the road on a re-sale anyway. Meanwhile, it would definitely buy a lot of a goodwill (it certainly would for me) and helps 'make things right'.
I know I skipped the EAP partially because the EVIP was shakey when I ordered the AWD. I likely would have added it should the EVIP come through. The cost to Tesla is $0 and this would only apply to a small number of purchasers. They could also provide significant discounts on accessories like wall connectors, snow tire sets, or future credits to vehicle purchases. Just some ideas. I know they don't have to do anything, but, on the other hand, they did 'advertise' the $14,000 discount and so they leveraged the program to make their marketing more appealing.
Providing a no-questions ask refund option (make it available now on the website) would also be a nice goodwill gesture.
Let's face it, the move to EV still faces a lot of hurdles. We're all in this together. Tesla makes a great product but Tesla is nothing without customers, and customers probably wouldn't want EV's right now if it weren't for Tesla. Let's move forward as a team.
I know I skipped the EAP partially because the EVIP was shakey when I ordered the AWD. I likely would have added it should the EVIP come through. The cost to Tesla is $0 and this would only apply to a small number of purchasers. They could also provide significant discounts on accessories like wall connectors, snow tire sets, or future credits to vehicle purchases. Just some ideas. I know they don't have to do anything, but, on the other hand, they did 'advertise' the $14,000 discount and so they leveraged the program to make their marketing more appealing.
Providing a no-questions ask refund option (make it available now on the website) would also be a nice goodwill gesture.
Let's face it, the move to EV still faces a lot of hurdles. We're all in this together. Tesla makes a great product but Tesla is nothing without customers, and customers probably wouldn't want EV's right now if it weren't for Tesla. Let's move forward as a team.
Cause he didn't want a 5 year court battle I'd guess. The part that gets me is he blatant dishonesty telling ppl it's only costing them $400k. He's acting a little too much like trump atm for my liking.
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