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Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

Chanrhc

Member
Jun 7, 2018
70
55
Ottawa
The Tesla Owners Ontario club is giving serious thought on a rally to Queen’s Park.
Please email me at [email protected] to indicate if you are interested in participating.
You can join the club here: Ontario.teslaownersclub.ca
How about suing Doug Ford and his government for damages. He understands that type of language.

Are there any lawyers in here? I'm surprised this is not a more discussed option.
 

felixculpas

Member
Jun 11, 2018
633
694
Ontario, Canada
I wish the article mentioned that other EVs delivered before September 10th will still get the rebate.
Too bad Tesla didn't offer a comment. The articled could have at least mentioned Tesla's Tweet to the MTO: "It is unfair to treat our customers worse than those who bought their car from a middleman. We have reached out to the ministry and hope they correct this. Discriminating against Ontario residents based on how they chose to purchase a vehicle is wrong."

You could always let him know that.
 

Darthbenji

Active Member
Mar 27, 2018
1,003
594
Ontario
I wish the article mentioned that other EVs delivered before September 10th will still get the rebate.
Too bad Tesla didn't offer a comment. The articled could have at least mentioned Tesla's Tweet to the MTO: "It is unfair to treat our customers worse than those who bought their car from a middleman. We have reached out to the ministry and hope they correct this. Discriminating against Ontario residents based on how they chose to purchase a vehicle is wrong."

They do. The last paragraph. Proving it’s an ineffective article since no one reads the whole thing. That last paragraph is scant and yet contains the entire issue.
 

mjavor

Member
Jul 18, 2018
22
50
Toronto
They do. The last paragraph. Proving it’s an ineffective article since no one reads the whole thing. That last paragraph is scant and yet contains the entire issue.
Oh, you're right, but they use the same confusing dealer/manufacturer terminology as the website, "The province announced last week that the electric vehicle incentive program will end on Sept. 10 for those who have their vehicle delivered, registered and plated if it was purchased from a dealer. But it ended immediately for those who ordered their vehicle directly from the manufacturer."

It should say "The province announced last week that the electric vehicle incentive program will end on Sept. 10 for those who have their vehicle delivered, registered and plated as long as it was ordered before July 11th. But if you ordered a Tesla, it ended immediately."
 

Samina

Member
Jul 14, 2018
58
119
Oakville
Oh, you're right, but they use the same confusing dealer/manufacturer terminology as the website, "The province announced last week that the electric vehicle incentive program will end on Sept. 10 for those who have their vehicle delivered, registered and plated if it was purchased from a dealer. But it ended immediately for those who ordered their vehicle directly from the manufacturer."

It should say "The province announced last week that the electric vehicle incentive program will end on Sept. 10 for those who have their vehicle delivered, registered and plated as long as it was ordered before July 11th. But if you ordered a Tesla, it ended immediately."
That made me laugh. It would be too much to expect Doug Ford to speak the truth.
 

felixculpas

Member
Jun 11, 2018
633
694
Ontario, Canada
I've had communication earlier this morning that to date, there has been no formal announcement that addresses whether Tesla might throw us a bone for our inconveniences. Not to us nor Tesla Ontario.

I can only presume Tesla is (as they have always except perhaps with Germany once) letting the market decide, which is understandable. I bear them no ill-will though I think they missed an opportunity and I'm sure some of their employees in Ontario feel that way as well.

It's up to the feds at this stage. Cabinet was re-shuffled this morning but Catherine McKenna remains as Minister of Environment and Climate Change. Her riding is Ottawa Centre so I'm sure she's well aware of this story line.

If you haven't already done so, you might want to send her a message asking if there will be any incentives at the federal level. She has a master's degree from the London School of Economics and a law degree from McGill University so you'd think she's aware of the issues and the economics behind them.

What will be the position of the feds and/or by what date can we expect an announcement on whether national incentives will be made available or not.

Let her hear your voice. It could make a difference.

Catherine McKenna | Your member of parliament for Ottawa Centre
 

champion1955

Member
Jul 2, 2018
28
25
toronto
We’re you told by Tesla Friday is a deadline? I’ve never received any communication from Tesla except take my money.

Until I hear different from them I’m staying status quo

Tesla isn't reaching out to customers to offer a refund. Not to my knowledge anyway. I had to call and inquire. Only then was I offered a refund if desired. Still, its probably more critical for the order to be cancelled before a VIN is given than anything else.
 

noicepls

Member
Apr 20, 2018
324
241
Lambton County ON.
Are there any lawyers in here? I'm surprised this is not a more discussed option.

I have been informed by a lawyer that this is not a legal matter. In fact, the imperious majority government in Queen's Park can fulfil any campaign promise in whatever manner they wish, or not, based on their own internal ideological policies or spur-of-the-moment self serving conniving.
 
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haromaem

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Jul 13, 2018
128
109
Toronto, Ontario
Not sure if this has any merit but OMVIC replied to my email stating that Tesla is registered as a dealership (see image). I will keep the email as proof should anyone know how we can use this.
 

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haromaem

Member
Jul 13, 2018
128
109
Toronto, Ontario
I have been informed by a lawyer that this is not a legal matter. In fact, the imperious majority government in Queen's Park can fulfil any campaign promise in whatever manner they wish, or not, based on their own internal ideological policies or spur-of-the-moment self serving conniving.
Can we not fight on the grounds that it is technically a dealership as per the email image I attached above?
 

RossK

Member
Jul 12, 2018
32
39
Guelph, Canada
I've had communication earlier this morning that to date, there has been no formal announcement that addresses whether Tesla might throw us a bone for our inconveniences. Not to us nor Tesla Ontario.

I can only presume Tesla is (as they have always except perhaps with Germany once) letting the market decide, which is understandable. I bear them no ill-will though I think they missed an opportunity and I'm sure some of their employees in Ontario feel that way as well.

It's up to the feds at this stage. Cabinet was re-shuffled this morning but Catherine McKenna remains as Minister of Environment and Climate Change. Her riding is Ottawa Centre so I'm sure she's well aware of this story line.

If you haven't already done so, you might want to send her a message asking if there will be any incentives at the federal level. She has a master's degree from the London School of Economics and a law degree from McGill University so you'd think she's aware of the issues and the economics behind them.

What will be the position of the feds and/or by what date can we expect an announcement on whether national incentives will be made available or not.

Let her hear your voice. It could make a difference.

Catherine McKenna | Your member of parliament for Ottawa Centre
Tesla isn't reaching out to customers to offer a refund. Not to my knowledge anyway. I had to call and inquire. Only then was I offered a refund if desired. Still, its probably more critical for the order to be cancelled before a VIN is given than anything else.
Tesla isn't reaching out to customers to offer a refund. Not to my knowledge anyway. I had to call and inquire. Only then was I offered a refund if desired. Still, its probably more critical for the order to be cancelled before a VIN is given than anything else.
Tesla isn't reaching out to customers to offer a refund. Not to my knowledge anyway. I had to call and inquire. Only then was I offered a refund if desired. Still, its probably more critical for the order to be cancelled before a VIN is given than anything else.
 

RossK

Member
Jul 12, 2018
32
39
Guelph, Canada
My Tesla rep called me to offer a refund, both last week and again Monday and today. If they don’t contact you I suggest you contact your rep as it would appear we have had a different experience.
 

Abrew2014

Member
Jul 16, 2018
105
41
Toronto
My Tesla rep called me to offer a refund, both last week and again Monday and today. If they don’t contact you I suggest you contact your rep as it would appear we have had a different experience.

I don’t have a Tesla rep, no one has ever contacted me. Do you have a Vin assigned?
 

PAWilson

Member
Jul 4, 2018
163
141
Toronto
Just received this reply from Vic Fedeli's office (Finance) in regards to my email:


Thank you for your email. I have been advised it best you contact the Ministry of Environment, Conservation and Parks for a detailed response. You can contact them at [email protected]


Kind regards,

Andrea

Andrea Stoppa, B. Soc. Sc.
Executive Assistant, Vic Fedeli, M.P.P. Nipissing
165 Main St. East
North Bay, ON P1B 1A9
T:705-474-8340
F:705-474-9747
[email protected]
 

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