Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

[Jgdixon]

Regarding the cancellation of the Ontario EVIP program. I spoke with a Tesla representative today and here is what they said:

Tesla is aware that the government changed both the incentive programs for vehicle purchases and home charging equipment on July 11

The government did not provide advance notice to Tesla

The government did not consult with Tesla on the changes

Tesla will make every effort to engage with the government over the next few days to get clarity as to what this change means for Tesla’s long-range, rear-wheel drive, Model 3 customers given the lack of clarity on the government’s website

Customers who have ordered the Model 3 with all-wheel drive will not be eligible for government incentives

Given the abrupness of the change Tesla will be reaching out to impacted customers with more information soon as to how they will be handling deposits for those who feel they need to cancel their orders

For more information contact the EVHIP program hotline or email (1-888-999-3793 / [email protected]).

If you do speak to someone please keep us informed what are being told.

John Dixon

President

Tesla Owners Ontario club

 

[Kiyi]

Regarding the cancellation of the Ontario EVIP program. I spoke with a Tesla representative today and here is what they said:

Tesla is aware that the government changed both the incentive programs for vehicle purchases and home charging equipment on July 11

The government did not provide advance notice to Tesla

The government did not consult with Tesla on the changes

Tesla will make every effort to engage with the government over the next few days to get clarity as to what this change means for Tesla’s long-range, rear-wheel drive, Model 3 customers given the lack of clarity on the government’s website

Customers who have ordered the Model 3 with all-wheel drive will not be eligible for government incentives

Given the abrupness of the change Tesla will be reaching out to impacted customers with more information soon as to how they will be handling deposits for those who feel they need to cancel their orders

For more information contact the EVHIP program hotline or email (1-888-999-3793 / [email protected]).

If you do speak to someone please keep us informed what are being told.

John Dixon

President

Tesla Owners Ontario club

Thanks John for the clarification and taking the time to come onto the forum to post

 

[adameme]

It unfortunately is true.. NRCan posted today the effciency stats for the Model 3 AWD and AWD Performance and they use higher kWh/100km in the city (14% more) and highway (10% more) than the RWD model.

City / Highway / Combined kWh/100km
Model 3 LR RWD: 15.3 / 17.0 / 16.1
Model 3 LR AWD: 17.4 / 18.7 / 18.0
Model 3 LR AWD Performance: 17.4 / 18.7 / 18.0

Check it out: 2018 model year electric vehicles | Natural Resources Canada

 

[PAWilson]

It unfortunately is true.. NRCan posted today the effciency stats for the Model 3 AWD and AWD Performance and they use higher kWh/100km in the city (14% more) and highway (10% more) than the RWD model.

City / Highway / Combined kWh/100km
Model 3 LR RWD: 15.3 / 17.0 / 16.1
Model 3 LR AWD: 17.4 / 18.7 / 18.0
Model 3 LR AWD Performance: 17.4 / 18.7 / 18.0

Check it out: 2018 model year electric vehicles | Natural Resources Canada

Yeah I saw and I just posted something similar without the link. Still not convinced if it is accurate but there it is.

 

[Chris Fox]

I think the task for everyone in this forum today should be to sent an email like this to Ms McKenna requesting a federal rebate/tax credit. The liberals can do something big here, provide funding/tax relief to taxpayers that will actually benefit the environment.
Strength in numbers.

I emailed Mckenna and I urged her to create a nation wide EV incentive program. With that said, I've been asking her for almost 3 years now because Canadians from provinces like Alberta, Sask, and Manitoba have always had to pay full price for EVs.

The reason we never got a nationwide program though is because Ontario had their incentive program and Ontarioans didn't give a crap about pushing our federal govt toward an nation wide EV program. I am wrong? Can you point to a post from you or anyone else from Ontario that made such a request over the last 3 years prior to you losing your incentive?

I think its rather shameful that Canadians in Ontario only care now about a nation wide EV program after their provincial govt killed their program.

Oh well, if this leads to a nation wide program then great

 

[Chris Fox]

Thanks. I may have to get a refund
my delivery date is sept-nov. Unlikely to make the cut.

I did tweet Elon about out situation. Doubt I'll hear from him.

No need to cancel. What you going to buy instead? If you can afford the long range premium interior with the $14k rebate, then you can still afford the short range standard interior without the $14k.

 

[Chris Fox]

I expect there are many of us in the same boat. We stand to lose a $14,000 rebate we relied upon because of a unilateral, no-notice change in delivery time.

Wrong. You stand to lose $14k because Ontarioans elected an anti science, anti environment candidate who ran and won on killing the program. Seriously, don't blame Tesla

 

[Chris Fox]

No, I don’t think he gives a rats ass. After all, they are the ones that canned the program. No one is debating that and I’m as disappointed as you are. If you re-read my post, I suggested asking Ford for clarity, not sympathy. Likewise, we can also ask MTO for clarity (but they will go ask Dougie anyway).

Its amazing how many Ford voters are here on this forum

 

[McFlurri]

Its amazing how many Ford voters are here on this forum

Whats your point?

So what if people voted for the person you didnt vote for.

To Ontarians, yes.. the climate is a prioirty.. but so are many many other non-related issues.

I may not have voted for Doug.. but i dont blame others for doing so.

 

[Buggle]

I emailed Mckenna and I urged her to create a nation wide EV incentive program. With that said, I've been asking her for almost 3 years now because Canadians from provinces like Alberta, Sask, and Manitoba have always had to pay full price for EVs.

The reason we never got a nationwide program though is because Ontario had their incentive program and Ontarioans didn't give a crap about pushing our federal govt toward an nation wide EV program. I am wrong? Can you point to a post from you or anyone else from Ontario that made such a request over the last 3 years prior to you losing your incentive?

I think its rather shameful that Canadians in Ontario only care now about a nation wide EV program after their provincial govt killed their program.

Oh well, if this leads to a nation wide program then great

I'd guess that the federal gov't sees this issue more as a provincial responsibility, and if the feds take ownership of it then the provinces will permanently abdicate their responsibilities. So if we have a situation where 70% of the country is covered anyhow (ON, QC, BC), why would the feds want to open up the can of worms?

Anyhow, it's now part of the larger conversation of how the feds are going to handle Doug Ford's backing away from all greenhouse gas emissions.

 

[DavidM34Me]

Wrong. You stand to lose $14k because Ontarioans elected an anti science, anti environment candidate who ran and won on killing the program. Seriously, don't blame Tesla

Sorry but factually that’s incorrect. If Tesla kept my delivery date I would get the rebate. They changed it and now I won’t.

I’m not here to defend Ford, but he told me that because I ordered in late May, and delivery was to happen before the end of July, I would qualify. I think his announcement is consistent with that assurance.

At the time I ordered, Tesla said delivery would be by the end of July at the latest. Tesla changed that to the end of October without warning or notice. That killed my rebate.

 

[Struja]

Its amazing how many Ford voters are here on this forum

Are you familiar with politics in Ontario? I ask because your location says US, so I am curious if you understand some of the nuance of the last election. Most voters believed they had three ways to vote (I am over simplifying but indulge me)...

1. Ford (bad on the environment and a lot of other things)

2. Horvat - fear she would bankrupt the Province and generally terrible on the economy (couldn’t even properly cost her own platform)

3. Wynne - wasted vote. Zero chance of winning. She conceded before the election.

So, is it really that hard to understand why so many supported Ford?

 

[jkirkwood001]

It unfortunately is true.. NRCan posted today the effciency stats for the Model 3 AWD and AWD Performance and they use higher kWh/100km in the city (14% more) and highway (10% more) than the RWD model.

City / Highway / Combined kWh/100km
Model 3 LR RWD: 15.3 / 17.0 / 16.1
Model 3 LR AWD: 17.4 / 18.7 / 18.0
Model 3 LR AWD Performance: 17.4 / 18.7 / 18.0

Check it out: 2018 model year electric vehicles | Natural Resources Canada

Well, I need AWD (trust me on this - steep frozen hill to the cottage, my family all drive Subarus), but not LR. But jumping at the chance to order, I'm buying LR, which will offset this news and loss of efficiency I guess.

Either way, with AWD officially not getting a rebate (post on this thread - thanks), and adding LR, it's gonna be an expensive car!

That said, I expect to be totally thrilled when I get it!!

 

[jkirkwood001]

Sorry but factually that’s incorrect. If Tesla kept my delivery date I would get the rebate. They changed it and now I won’t.

I’m not here to defend Ford, but he told me that because I ordered in late May, and delivery was to happen before the end of July, I would qualify. I think his announcement is consistent with that assurance.

At the time I ordered, Tesla said delivery would be by the end of July at the latest. Tesla changed that to the end of October without warning or notice. That killed my rebate.

Problem is Tesla's between a rock and a hard place. They deferred deliveries to U.S. to prevent going over the 200,000 cap in Q2. We benefited from that. Now they want to deliver as many as they can to the U.S. in this quarter. I doubt Ontarians will be higher priority than that. We'll see how they balance those two demands.

 

[mknox]

It unfortunately is true.. NRCan posted today the effciency stats for the Model 3 AWD and AWD Performance and they use higher kWh/100km in the city (14% more) and highway (10% more) than the RWD model.

That is somewhat surprising to me. The AWD Model S had better efficiency than it's RWD counterpart when it came out. For a while you could choose RWD or AWD Model S but they are all AWD now.

Wonder what is different about the 3 here?

 

[jkirkwood001]

...I think its rather shameful that Canadians in Ontario only care now about a nation wide EV program after their provincial govt killed their program.

Oh well, if this leads to a nation wide program then great

I think "shameful" is a bit strong. If we were already getting $14 K and still demanding more rebate (for others but us too), many would see that as greedy. I can understand why Ontarians weren't yelling for a federal rebate.

 

[jkirkwood001]

That is somewhat surprising to me. The AWD Model S had better efficiency than it's RWD counterpart when it came out. For a while you could choose RWD or AWD Model S but they are all AWD now.

Wonder what is different about the 3 here?

Elsewhere is in-depth discussion on the different motors used on the 3. In simple terms, if I understand correctly, the S adds a more efficient 2nd motor. The 3 adds a more powerful 2nd motor, which doesn't help efficiency.

 

[TM888]

Just spoke to Tesla rep. He said they’ve now communicated with the government and the rebate is revoked for all model 3 reservation holders regardless of whether or not you booked before the 11th because the basically tried to screw over Tesla with the language and have it be confusing to avoid backlash. So no rebate. The ministry doesn’t even know when you call them!!

 

[Ludatik]

Just spoke to Tesla rep. He said they’ve now communicated with the government and the rebate is revoked for all model 3 reservation holders regardless of whether or not you booked before the 11th because the basically tried to screw over Tesla with the language and have it be confusing to avoid backlash. So no rebate. The ministry doesn’t even know when you call them!!

Reservation holders or orders? There is a world of difference.

 

[TM888]

Reservation holders or orders? There is a world of difference.

No one who doesn’t have a plated Tesla before July 11th is getting the rebate. I had a contract from June 21st and will not get the rebate. Tesla is calling everyone who had a contract to tell them personally.