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OPINION: Model 3 made in China better quality than USA built.
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This has nothing to do with the title of the thread or the OP, so I don't know why you felt the quoted portion was related to this new topic.
Highly probable. People have a collective boner over crossovers and sedans are basically dying. I'd prefer a hatchback at the same size and height as Model 3 but the Y is as close as I'm going to get.
Power frunk probably won't happen without changes to regulations, from my understanding. I'm 99% sure I read that the Y will have a power liftgate though.
I'll be upgrading to a Y in all likelihood, but like you I'm not in a rush to get a first production unit. I'm also hoping for heated steering wheel, and better seats ideally. I doubt either will happen, but who knows.
Uncle Paul
Well-Known Member
Video makes sense. They have upgraded some of the parts in the China plant to accomodate their weather and worse roads.
All the latest tech went into designing the plant and assembly. Lessons learned from Fremont will be transfered to China, just as things learned in China will feedback to Fremont to enhance quality, productivity and profitability.
All the profits from the China production will feed back into Tesla USA. These funds will be used to increase profitabily and development of future products.
Imagine that the production in Germany will take a further increase in quality, which will again transfer to the other plants.
Imagine that there wil be a constant competition between the various plants as to who will be the best in the World.
All the latest tech went into designing the plant and assembly. Lessons learned from Fremont will be transfered to China, just as things learned in China will feedback to Fremont to enhance quality, productivity and profitability.
All the profits from the China production will feed back into Tesla USA. These funds will be used to increase profitabily and development of future products.
Imagine that the production in Germany will take a further increase in quality, which will again transfer to the other plants.
Imagine that there wil be a constant competition between the various plants as to who will be the best in the World.
George702
Member
I would take this with a grain of salt until they actually start pumping these out. They probably made it quite well, knowing all eyes will be on the very first one.
The video showed two cars. It would be surprising if the first cars to be shown for test driving were not pristine. They are Pre-Production. Look again at he two thousandth off the line when the pressure to hit targets is being applied. However the whole operation from start to current production approval has been extremely impressive, so would it be too surprising if he is proved correct?
Fernand
Active Member
Frankly, primer or no primer, the design of this whole assembly looks, shall we say, downright expedient. It does the job, but it's not winning any Raymond Loewy awards. And that's fine with me, it's not a status symbol like it is in China, and I didn't buy it for that.
I can understand, but It cracks me up a bit when people inspect their new Model 3 with a magnifying glass and a micrometer. I bought it because it doesn't emit toxic fumes, it uses renewable energy, it's as fast and nimble as say a Porsche 928, it looks great, and the regular over-the-air updates of the automation make driving ever better.
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Yeah half that area on my car isn't even painted lol.
I have no doubt Tesla will maintain a NA, China and German factory. Elon has talked about the reason for the other factories was to save on cost of transporting overseas. Apart from the transport expense more to go wrong during transport and eat up profit for repairs.
Elon pretty much said so recently -- lots of learning from the Factory went into Giga3 and said he suspects the same will be true of Giga4. I think having these 3 eventual factories will be a good thing. While it's true that Americans want to buy American and support workers in this country, the same could be said of each of the other two countries. I do think having a factory in Germany will open Tesla sales up to those Germans who want to support their own manufacturers. Giga4 will be supporting German workers and their economy so will be harder for them to make the same arguments.
Why would we have expected anything else?
Tesla improves their vehicles, and their processes over time.
I'm sure Tesla plans on incorporating identical processes whenever possible in all plants. Unfortunately they won't be able to duplicate the exact process on things like paint because of environmental restrictions in California.
We also cant underestimate the Chinese as I'm sure they have a lot of skilled workers who helped improve various things for GF3. Hopefully GF1 will benefit from that feedback.
I look forwards to GF4 because that's when Tesla will have the Germans in on it.
Its like overnight Tesla went from a US manufacture to a World manufacture.
It's also not just building the car, but so many other facets of the entire experience.
The Chinese also have one huge benefit over their GF1 counterparts. They're further away from Elon so they don't have deal with his micromanagement.
Tesla improves their vehicles, and their processes over time.
I'm sure Tesla plans on incorporating identical processes whenever possible in all plants. Unfortunately they won't be able to duplicate the exact process on things like paint because of environmental restrictions in California.
We also cant underestimate the Chinese as I'm sure they have a lot of skilled workers who helped improve various things for GF3. Hopefully GF1 will benefit from that feedback.
I look forwards to GF4 because that's when Tesla will have the Germans in on it.
Its like overnight Tesla went from a US manufacture to a World manufacture.
It's also not just building the car, but so many other facets of the entire experience.
The Chinese also have one huge benefit over their GF1 counterparts. They're further away from Elon so they don't have deal with his micromanagement.
SammichLover
Banned
Phones, email, and video conferencing exists.
Little chance he isn't in the thick of the matter of the new factory on a daily basis, even if he only walks the floor physically when he gets around to flying over.....Got good buddies who work for Toyota. You can show up to work in ANY make - as long as it's not Tesla.
My dad had worked for many years at a division of GM. Remember meeting him with my mom after he got off work sometimes. Back then if you drove a Japanese make car to work in the parking lot he said things happened to those cars. Dad always had a GM car after he started working there. Even after he retired. I don't get how Teslas aren't viewed as American by many but sure it's more due to a threatened feeling of something new, learning something new, job loss, lower pay. As I see it those manufacturers could have made Tesla cars themselves but they stuck their head in the ground and cozied up to Big Oil. The factory workers always pay for it in the end.
Phones, email, and video conferencing exists.
The distance and cultural differences helps in keeping separation.
I routinely work with colleagues in Munich, and both teams have good separation while also sharing a lot of knowledge.
I don't think "no time constrains" is accurate, from a muddy field to test drive the first GF3 produced cars it only took the Chinese exactly 10 months, I'm pretty sure the timeline is pretty constrained.
Candleflame
Active Member
just a regional thing. People are somewhat upset about the chinese government mandating the GB/T connector. Yes it isn't really needed and just another unneccesary bulky standard but at least the chinese government had the balls to introduce one unlike everywhere else where politicans just fumbled about until last year when CSS became mandatory in the EU. USA still does not have one.
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