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Outrageous Chinese CFC-11 emissions identified

Discussion in 'Energy, Environment, and Policy' started by thegruf, Jul 9, 2018.

  1. thegruf

    thegruf Active Member

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    Assuming the authenticity of this, I cannot think of anything more outrageous.

    The Chinese abusing their position and manipulating the ROW to their own ends - who'd have thought it.

    EIA said 18 companies in 10 Chinese provinces had now confirming using CFC-11 as a blowing agent for manufacturing of foams used to insulated buildings and applicaces.

    “If China doesn’t stop this illegal production, it will imperil our slowly healing ozone layer,” said Alexander von Bismarck, EIA's US executive director. “CFC-11 is also a super global warmer, making this a serious threat for our climate as well."

    He added: "What we’ve uncovered is a systemic problem, not isolated incidents. It requires a comprehensive nationwide intelligence-led investigation and higher penalties throughout the sector that fit the crime.


    eg
    Scientists have finally found the secret source of a chemical that is destroying the environment

    The source of the mysterious ozone-killing emissions is confirmed: China

    and the UK charity's site that uncovered it:

    CFC-11 illegal production and use in China: Blowing It – EIA International
     
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  2. SSedan

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    but they stayed in the Paris Accord...........
    and used melamine to make pet and baby food look like higher protein........
     
  3. Ulmo

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    Thank you for identifying this. We must pressure China to heed the needs of Earthlings, and if necessary, force them.
     
  4. neroden

    neroden Happy Model S Owner

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    When talking about China, remember that China is not unitary. It is arguably too large to govern. There are constant fights between the central government and the provinces. *Both* have weak environmental regulators (with the exception of some provinces), and the provincial leadership is heavily subject to bribery and kickbacks. Democracy would help kick out the bribe-taking, pollution-allowing political leaders, but China doesn't have democracy.

    If this can be made a top priority of the national government -- and it may be, after the world has caught them -- the national government probably can and will stamp out all the illegal use of CFC-11. Hopefully ASAP.

    But the provincal governments will go on to take more bribes and violate other environmental laws where nobody is paying as much attention.
     
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  5. Ulmo

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    Hmm. Not a slam-dunk, but I'm thinking of ideas. Here's one:

    Once we've gotten rid of some of the Chinese influences here in USA, we can go back to a more sane attitude about Environmentalism that isn't caught up in the political fakeness we've been experiencing for so long, and hopefully then we can move forward with spy satellites that can catch problem points for attention. Once the world is a more peaceful place in 2 or 3 years, we can finally turn to more strongly addressing less exigent issues like saving the environment. (Less exigent than terrorism and aggressive rapidly progressive slavery.) Meanwhile, we have to attempt to be at least as sane as we can about the environment while those other things are solving.

    One of the biggest solutions to the world's problems is liberty, yet the very fact that we share the world's environment is the one biggest issue I see with that liberty. Right now, environmentalism has been used as an excuse by anti-liberty agitators to further their anti-liberty causes, so environmentalism is itself tainted and considered toxic. To clean up our treatment of the environment, we must clean up environmentalism, and that requires severing the connection between pro-slavery activists and environmentalists. Only then can we so easily calmly look carefully at the balance between environmental cooperation and personal liberty in a way that is good for both, and maximizes mutually beneficial systemic catalysts. Until then, we have to go through much more effort to achieve a similar result, bypassing all the fake fluff and lies that infect so many parties.
     

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