P100D Energy usage?

[madcal]

I am amazed by all of you in the 300s. My raven S perf with the big turbine wheels gets 400 average over first 4,000 miles. Mainly highway miles but it has been between 2 and 10 degrees here since I bought it. Short slow journeys are around 500 and highway around 380.

Perhaps it is the weather and I will get down to low 300s in the summer.

400 Wh/mi makes a 250mile range on the car which is fine for me (which is a real-life approx. 150 miles as I don't usually go below around 20% on a long journey and charging above 80% is so slow I don't wait). But stopping every 150 miles for 25 minutes is no hardship.

 

[fren]

i have no difference between my raven and the 100D at the battery sticker
the sticker has a vin and it's written 100D ( revision E for me )
i don't remember on my old 90D i had a vin on the battery sticker

 

[Md7932]

@madcal, thanks bud. That sounds like what I have. So looks like I have not got an issue.

 

[madcal]

@madcal, thanks bud. That sounds like what I have. So looks like I have not got an issue.

Or we both have ;-)

 

[Md7932]

Lol...i have asked tesla to do a battery check and a health check if i continue to get 450 to 500Wh/mi


Considering no one has mentioned they have a p100d raven.... All the lovely folks who have the p85 performance have been nice ebough to share their experiences...thanks everyone for your responses.

 

[madcal]

I have a Raven Model S Performance (P100DL Raven I guess). Mine is 402 lifetime but 500-ish around town. Maybe I should have mentioned the model earlier ;-)

I do have the turbine wheels which I think do not help with consumption.

 

[Md7932]

There is a seperate topic about this, but do you get a clunking sound on your ludricous launches?

 

[madcal]

Nope

 

[madcal]

Unless something is loose in the trunk ;-)

 

[Md7932]

Nope. Apparantely front drive shaft gets faulty if launches are not done in low suspension mode.

 

[Speach]

Ok. Admittedly resurrecting an old thread, but I’m seeing very little else on this topic elsewhere - what range should a P100d get? Why is it so much worse than other, very similar cars (P90D, 100D, etc). I have a non raven P100D (2017) but my mileage is very much in line with the OP. At 80 mph on cruise, 70deg inside and outside,I get 460 wh/mi. Based on scattered reading all over, I believe the issue is may be related to the camber of the wheels. I am wondering if Tesla intentionally increased the camber even more for the P100D for improved high speed hard cornering (like Nurburgring). In the next 2 weeks I am having my front half shafts replaced due to front end shudder on acceleration, and subsequently upgrading the suspension to both lower the car and correct the camber. The principle reason for this post is I hope to update it with revised mileage numbers (using TeslaFI to have exact numbers) for a before and after. I am wondering, in the last 3 years since the original post, are there any others who have done the same? I have seen a limited number of anecdotal references to significantly improved mileage numbers as well as tire life expectancy.

 

[beatle]

460 is pretty high. On 21" summer tires I'd expect something in the mid-high 300s. Even my P85D that had the same motors was able to manage low 300s on all seasons when cruising close to 80.

Brakes are the most suspect components and something you can check yourself. You're not likely to get much salt in Alabama, but a general lack of brake use may let them accumulate crud. I'd taking the pads out and lubricate the edges. They should come out easily if they aren't seized.

I don't think camber is a contributing factor to energy use, but significant amounts of toe is.

 

[Rocky_H]

At 80 mph on cruise, 70deg inside and outside,I get 460 wh/mi.

Yeah, that's going to be high at that speed. That doesn't surprise me.

Even my P85D that had the same motors was able to manage low 300s on all seasons when cruising close to 80.

That would shock me. My very non-performance 2014 S85 is almost always over 300 wh/mile, even when not driving 80 mph.

 

[beatle]

Yeah, that's going to be high at that speed. That doesn't surprise me.

That would shock me. My very non-performance 2014 S85 is almost always over 300 wh/mile, even when not driving 80 mph.

I was also over 300wh/mi most of the time, but I could crack the 200s if it was hot. VA's speed limits max out at 70 and reckless is automatic at 80 or higher so I generally cruise no higher than 78. This is data from TeslaFi on my 2015 for trips over 30 miles, so most probably have highway miles:

Temperature	Wh/Mile	Efficiency %	Miles Recorded
25 to 30 F	435.56	68.4	301
30 to 35 F	422.92	70.6	323
35 to 40 F	353.07	83.7	1,317
40 to 45 F	358.32	82.3	1,758
45 to 50 F	327.52	90.2	1,147
50 to 55 F	323.93	91.1	1,708
55 to 60 F	338.85	87.5	1,120
60 to 65 F	321.34	92.3	844
65 to 70 F	304.08	97.9	1,225
70 to 75 F	311.74	95.5	1,049
75 to 80 F	308.71	96.6	1,289
80 to 85 F	299.1	99.3	1,036
85 to 90 F	296.11	100.2	568
90 to 95 F	277.48	96.3	709
95 to 100 F	276.96	105.3	35

Shorter trips push consumption higher. I have summer tires on my 2019 now and it's tough to get below 300wh/mi unless I have a tailwind or elevation is decreasing. Summer tires are worth a 10-15% penalty to range IME, but even with 21" staggered summer tires and a P-D car, 460 wh/mi still sounds ridiculous unless regen is turned off. I almost never touch the friction brakes.

 

[airborne spoon]

Ok. Admittedly resurrecting an old thread, but I’m seeing very little else on this topic elsewhere - what range should a P100d get? Why is it so much worse than other, very similar cars (P90D, 100D, etc). I have a non raven P100D (2017) but my mileage is very much in line with the OP. At 80 mph on cruise, 70deg inside and outside,I get 460 wh/mi. Based on scattered reading all over, I believe the issue is may be related to the camber of the wheels. I am wondering if Tesla intentionally increased the camber even more for the P100D for improved high speed hard cornering (like Nurburgring). In the next 2 weeks I am having my front half shafts replaced due to front end shudder on acceleration, and subsequently upgrading the suspension to both lower the car and correct the camber. The principle reason for this post is I hope to update it with revised mileage numbers (using TeslaFI to have exact numbers) for a before and after. I am wondering, in the last 3 years since the original post, are there any others who have done the same? I have seen a limited number of anecdotal references to significantly improved mileage numbers as well as tire life expectancy.

In my 100 I get an average of 300wh/mi, with my old 85 (same car) I was averaging 340wh/mi
I do a lot of city (30 mph) and highway (80 mph) driving and those are what I got