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P3D horsepower?
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The 480 hp that the model 3 has now is at the rear wheels, ICE cars give ratings at the crank, so our 480 is about 540 for ICE cars at the crank. They lose about 15%
We should be over 500 with the bump.
I heard that the Model 3 got as fast as 2.6 0-60 from a factory source. I am sure Elon is holding back a bit more so he can add as he wishes to deal with competition. Just like the 50hp bump coming for the S
We should be over 500 with the bump.
I heard that the Model 3 got as fast as 2.6 0-60 from a factory source. I am sure Elon is holding back a bit more so he can add as he wishes to deal with competition. Just like the 50hp bump coming for the S
If the p3d ever jumped to 2.6 0-60 that would be incredible!
Please...no...I can’t afford another car right now!
Come to think of it, this extra 5% (25 or so hp) should drop the 0-60 time from 3.1 to 3.0? Dare I say 2.9???
WilliamG
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WilliamG
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Model 3 Performance originally launched with 450hp. It was 473hp prior to the update this week (previous 5% bump). So in theory it’s 473 x 1.05 = 497hp (rounded). That assumes an exact 5%, of course. I do wonder what Tesla cites as the hp numbers.
AlanSubie4Life
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Pretty sure the quotes of torque & power are at the output of the motors, combined, since that is traditional.
This was the torque (initially it was quoted at 450HP/471lb-ft in Road & Track).
So the first boost was to about 472HP/495lb-ft, and the second boost (if it also increases the peak torque) would be to 496HP/520lb-ft.
If these torque numbers were translated to the wheels without loss, the 472HP/495lb-ft numbers would result in considerably faster acceleration than is documented. (Right now, prior to the latest bump, it is measured at about 0.86g.) The 495lb-ft number (if there were no losses on it) would result in 495lb-ft*9*12in/ft/13.26in/4250lbs = 0.95g. So they are not "no-loss" numbers as far as I know.
WilliamG
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I find it odd that Tesla doesn’t tell you hp/tq numbers. I wonder what the reason is? It’s the kind of thing they could advertise - e.g. now 496hp after FREE software update!
iamroy
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Its because they were caught lying about it before and the legal department said “stop it”.
WilliamG
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MagnusMako
Member
They probably stopped advertising horsepower / torque figures to avoid future legal troubles after the Norwegian lawsuit that they lost over false hp advertising. I still don't find them fully candid since they list 0-60 times to make the P3 appear artificially faster than the AWD. But it's whatever. We get free hp bumps that normally cost a good deal of money so I can forgive them.
You would have to ask Tesla. I’m sure there are a number of reasons why the chose not to.
One is, they got sued over inflated P85D numbers
Two is, they would probably get sued again when your car is 3 years old and the battery is not capable of producing those original HP numbers.
Three, four, and five could all have to do with “Elon-math”.
WilliamG
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Well, ICE vehicles don’t produce the same horsepower, either, after x number of miles. No matter the reason, hopefully we get some dyno numbers from somewhere, preferably a before and after on the same dyno.
Your fuel tank capacity on an ICE vehicle isn’t also going down at the same time. As I said, it’s a question for Tesla.
All we know is they got their pants sued off last time they published numbers and I wouldn’t expect them to do it again.
WilliamG
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So do we expect Porsche to get sued, then?
kingtizzy007
Megatron
That’s awesome. I’ll make an appointment at the track as soon as I get the update. I’m curious if 11.4 at 118/119 mph will be within reach post-update..
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