hostman
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Yes, however:In one state.
1) that Massachusetts legislation has national implications
2) there are other regulations that require this as well, for example the EPA has had a regulation on the books since the late 90's
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Yes, however:In one state.
It is for now. Please don't tell me you think they aren't going to switch after ramp-up...?
I think we were suggesting that by the time this situation actually requires/suggests a replacement, the pack will be cheaper. Separately, I do thing the global price of an 18650 has gone down in the last two years... I agree, it will probably be offered at higher capacity with the new cells, as well.Sure they probably will switch at some point, but that doesn't explain why you and someone else are saying that the 100kWh pack now is cheaper to produce than the current 90kWh pack is now. Which is what this was about.
And when they switch it might not be a 100kWh pack anymore.
As for real capacity, the BMS reports usable capacity at a whopping 98.4 kWh. It also reports a 4 kWh unusable bottom charge, so that's 102.4 kWh total pack capacity! Congratulations, Tesla. A high capacity pack that meets its nameplate rating!
That's not necessarily true.
For example, if someone had an issue that they could get fixed under warranty for free, but it would take three weeks to get an appointment at the service center, or they could have it repaired on their own dime today, some people would choose the latter, at least for some inexpensive repairs.
Also, if the service centers are incredibly swamped, for some simple and inexpensive things Tesla may institute a policy where owners can get service elsewhere, and get reimbursed. This would likely be a stop-gap measure, until there are enough service centers. But with the Model 3 coming out, I would think there may be a need for this kind of thing, at least in some situations.
Tesla is going in the right direction with this.
Just throwing it out there as food for thought^ Well, that is an interesting take on it at least.
I do believe it is possible to upgrade the P85DL. Hope to get a real answer soon, as you suggest!WK's work flies in the face of the idea that 100 KW packs can not go into P85DLs. I really would like to hear from Tesla as to why we P85DL owners can not simply buy a 100 KW pack and swap it out. It would be a bucket load cheaper than selling our P85DLs (and about $10K cheaper still then taking Tesla's trade in offer).
Would someone from Tesla care to add color to the "no" it can not be done response? Is it simply, no we just do not want to do it? Cool if it is, please just say so.
WK's work flies in the face of the idea that 100 KW packs can not go into P85DLs. I really would like to hear from Tesla as to why we P85DL owners can not simply buy a 100 KW pack and swap it out. It would be a bucket load cheaper than selling our P85DLs (and about $10K cheaper still then taking Tesla's trade in offer).
Would someone from Tesla care to add color to the "no" it can not be done response? Is it simply, no we just do not want to do it? Cool if it is, please just say so.
How many examples of pack capacity upgrades have there been? I know early on that Tesla has been very reluctant to do upgrades where the capacity is different, for example upgrading 60 to 85 (even though there is no part difference at all, so don't even need that adapter). I know of only one example where Tesla agreed to do this.WK's work flies in the face of the idea that 100 KW packs can not go into P85DLs. I really would like to hear from Tesla as to why we P85DL owners can not simply buy a 100 KW pack and swap it out. It would be a bucket load cheaper than selling our P85DLs (and about $10K cheaper still then taking Tesla's trade in offer).
Would someone from Tesla care to add color to the "no" it can not be done response? Is it simply, no we just do not want to do it? Cool if it is, please just say so.
How many examples of pack capacity upgrades have there been? I know early on that Tesla has been very reluctant to do upgrades where the capacity is different, for example upgrading 60 to 85 (even though there is no part difference at all, so don't even need that adapter). I know of only one example where Tesla agreed to do this.
The other thread discussed this, but that 100kWh pack is worth far more money (to Tesla) in a new car than upgrading an old one. They very much would rather you sell the car and buy a new one.
WK's work flies in the face of the idea that 100 KW packs can not go into P85DLs. I really would like to hear from Tesla as to why we P85DL owners can not simply buy a 100 KW pack and swap it out. It would be a bucket load cheaper than selling our P85DLs (and about $10K cheaper still then taking Tesla's trade in offer).
Would someone from Tesla care to add color to the "no" it can not be done response? Is it simply, no we just do not want to do it? Cool if it is, please just say so.
There might be additional changes required for the cooling system. It needs to be beefier to handle higher total heat load in P100D pack.
Did you see WK's last post? ( Pics/Info: Inside the Tesla 100 kWh Battery Pack)
I think this puts to bed any speculation that it is not possible.
In fairness, wk057's post does suggest older models (P85/P85D/pre-facelifts?) would require changes in the connector area, but he seemed to suggest this is merely a small spare part swap.
My point is that putting P100D pack in P90D might require additional modification/replacement of cooling system components that are outside the pack.
I agree, though I would replace the term "cooling system" to "other".
We simply do not know what other things in the car have changed concurrently to the pack introduction. So whilst it may "work" it may not be warrant-able, or give the full experience Tesla's engineers intended.