n2mb_racing
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Sorry, I might have missed this. Did anyone log 1600A yet with the new software? I might have missed it. Is it achievable with launch mode?
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Pack Performance and Launch Mode Limits
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Sorry, I might have missed this. Did anyone log 1600A yet with the new software? I might have missed it. Is it achievable with launch mode?
I
really
really
really
hope this is not the case
It
really
really
really
could be the case
Good
Question
Good
point
Interesting
result.
So
One can
Get
1600 amps
BUT
If one wants
to get 1600 amps in a race vs another car
THEN
they will have to use launch mode
AND
possibly get a worse reaction time or
RED LIGHT
attempting to get it.
WOW
That would be good
for
a
time trial and drag times
record.
But
of less benefit
in an actual race against
another
car.
So they're giving you
the 1600 amps
BUT
You have to use launch mode
in order
to get
it.
Jeepers
What do you make of all of this
Lola
champ
car
?
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Walta
Member
The pathway at purchase was to select ludicrous mode for max performance. If we allow this to suffice... what is stopping them from adding more required steps? Think about how we got here... correct me if I am wrong but it went something like...
Pathway progression to 2.8 0-60 and 10.9 quarter mile
1. Ludicrous mode
2. Ludicrous mode with Max Battery
3. Ludicrous mode with Max Battery Ready
4. Ludicrous mode with Max Battery Ready with 90% or greater charge
5. Ludicrous mode with Max Battery Ready with 90% or greater charge and in Launch Mode
6. ?????
I have asked Tesla for my money back. I told them I would drop the car off. I am cancelling my Model 3 order.
Unless they give me back the performance I paid for as advertised at time of purchase. Which was select ludicrous mode, and enjoy.
What do they do now during a test drive?
Customer: I would like to experience ludicrous mode?
Tesla: Sure lets get you into a P90DL
Customer: Ok - now what?
Tesla: Hold on a second, I just have to turn on ludicrous mode.
Customer: Cool - that was easy! Lets go.
Tesla: Hold on a minute, I need to enable Max Battery.
Customer: Cool - that was easy! Lets go.
Tesla: Hold on about 25-35 minutes... we need to wait for Max Battery Ready.
Customer:
Tesla:
Customer:
Tesla:
Customer: Really? Like every time?
Tesla: yes
Customer: Ok it's been 30 minutes - the Max Battery is Ready! Lets go.
Tesla: Ok now you need to go into Launch mode.( explains the details )
Customer: Really? I can't just hit the pedal?
Tesla: Not if you want to experience the full performance - that costs thousands of dollars.
Customer: Never mind - it's not worth all the hassle. Thanks for your time..
n2mb_racing
Active Member
To be fair, this will always be true for any Li-Ion powered EV. Better performance will ALWAYS be possible at the highest state of charge and when the batteries are warmest. This is true for the P100D and will be true for any EV going forward.
Tesla: It's not a bother. Glad you stopped in. BTW, which vehicles will you be looking at next which can offer you the performance that this one can even without Max Battery, and the same fuel economy and wow factor? What, BMW, Mercedes, Cadillac?? When you get to their dealerships, be sure to tell everyone there that we said "hello". And BTW, we quit making P90DL cars.
And as far as you canceling your Model 3 reservation, well lets see, $700,000,000 - $1,000.0 leaves us at about $699,999,000.00 as a result of us giving you back your $1,000.00.
oops we just got somebody else to take your spot with their own $1,000.00.
Tesla Model 3: Tesla is now holding close to $700 million in customer deposits
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stopcrazypp
Well-Known Member
One caveat is this only applies to performance EVs where the battery is a bottleneck. For a EV with a weak motor (like the Leaf for example), the baseline performance is so low that it never even gets close to where the battery is a factor (except in the extremely low SOCs).
Walta
Member
That part I get. That is fair. And I expected the power to decline linearly as the battery level reduced.
But not that the software was controlling the power delivery in a way that has so many requirements. Especially when NONE of the requirements except for selecting ludicrous mode were discussed by Tesla or advertised by Tesla at time of purchase.
Tech_Guy
ALWAYS IN LUDICROUS MODE! P90D>P100D Upgrade
And with a p100d and ludicrous plus you add even more steps
Select Ludicrous
Turn on max battery power
Press and hold on ludicrous button for x seconds to display ludicrous plus
Select bring it on
Wait for battery to come to temperature
Then enter launch mode
I'm hoping someone with the current software update and a p100dl will do some KW testing with the 4 different modes now available
max battery ready
with max battery ready and launch mode
with max battery and Ludicrous plus
and with max battery ready and Ludicrous plus with launch mode
What a mouthful lol
MarcG
Active Member
Has anyone with a P100D confirmed that you need to engage Launch Mode to get maximum power?
n2mb_racing
Active Member
Tech_Guy
ALWAYS IN LUDICROUS MODE! P90D>P100D Upgrade
Yes I have... my car is a v3 battery 1088... pack P90DL
My car originally made 511 KW of power at 1620 ish Amps. The current software seems to limit the amps closer to 1600 most I saw was 1608 in testing and 500Kw of power
St Charles
Tesla, not TSLA!
n2mb_racing
Active Member
Did you get ~510 kW now with launch mode engaged? I thought I last saw you got ~490 kW with the new software.
n2mb_racing
Active Member
This is not good. So when you pass someone you will not get full power as you can only engage Launch Mode from a standing start. Plus using launch mode at the drags against another car is difficult. I can understand that since we have an electric car the battery needs to be at an optimum temperature and high level of charge for maximum power but I don't like or understand that launch mode has to be enabled for maximum power. I suspect it is to reduce the use of full power and save wear and tear on the drivetrain and battery.
would be interesting to see a chart of power over time during an acceleration run. I reached 450+ only from 40mph to 60mph and after 60 it went down to ~440 -- holding steady up to 100 mph.
maybe that extra boost is only to ramp up to 60mph anyway (to sacrifice a little longevity to goose the 0-60 times), and above that the power is held to a more sustainable level (i.e., lower mean-time-to-failure).
edit to add:
I report the fact that my P85DL provides the highest power only from 40-60. This was only one data point that I still had loaded in my powertools.
Unfortunately I wasn't able to get a powertools or Teslalog data when I did my 11.3 1/4 run last year because of bad connectivity. Would be interested to see other runs of power curves. I think there are some posted here but I haven't looked.
Based on that fact I speculate that maybe Tesla is giving the max power (for the P85DL, and perhaps other models) only in that < 60mph range.
maybe that extra boost is only to ramp up to 60mph anyway (to sacrifice a little longevity to goose the 0-60 times), and above that the power is held to a more sustainable level (i.e., lower mean-time-to-failure).
edit to add:
I report the fact that my P85DL provides the highest power only from 40-60. This was only one data point that I still had loaded in my powertools.
Unfortunately I wasn't able to get a powertools or Teslalog data when I did my 11.3 1/4 run last year because of bad connectivity. Would be interested to see other runs of power curves. I think there are some posted here but I haven't looked.
Based on that fact I speculate that maybe Tesla is giving the max power (for the P85DL, and perhaps other models) only in that < 60mph range.
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@bhzmark if I understand you correctly, the capping of performance only applies to 0-60. After 60 something else was coming in to play anyway, so passing performance at higher speeds (50+) shouldn't be impacted significantly even if you started off without launch mode engaged.
Without skin in the game, that sounds like a fairly reasonable approach.
I will say this has all been poorly communicated by Tesla to existing owners, where a bit more upfront openness/clarity could have sold this as an acceptable compromise. Yes there would be caveats to extract advertised specs using measurement gear (like having to use a launch mode, as in every other car with crazy 0-60 times), but if it had been like that from the get go, I get the feeling it would have been completely understood by all parties.
Without skin in the game, that sounds like a fairly reasonable approach.
I will say this has all been poorly communicated by Tesla to existing owners, where a bit more upfront openness/clarity could have sold this as an acceptable compromise. Yes there would be caveats to extract advertised specs using measurement gear (like having to use a launch mode, as in every other car with crazy 0-60 times), but if it had been like that from the get go, I get the feeling it would have been completely understood by all parties.
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