n2mb_racing
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.... now that there _is_ a way to get 1600A, which wasn't promised
Sorry, I might have missed this. Did anyone log 1600A yet with the new software? I might have missed it. Is it achievable with launch mode?
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.... now that there _is_ a way to get 1600A, which wasn't promised
I
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really
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hope this is not the case
What if 1600A was a bug, never should've happened?
Or, was there a specific promise?
Tesla explicitly promised 1500A (Elon said Ludicrous upgrade boosts current "from 1300A to 1500 Amps").
http://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model-s-just-got-upgraded-to-ludicrous-speed-1718577723
1600A was never promised. 1600A was not even a thing until the V2 batteries, the V1 batteries never experienced that.
This situation is exactly what I talked about as a possibility. Tesla may move all P90DLs to the same baseline (1500A which they promised). This changes the argument back to the quarter mile, which comes with other conditions to test (SOC, vehicle weight/configuration, tire/wheel, track/environmental variables, etc).
Pack Performance and Launch Mode Limits
Pack Performance and Launch Mode Limits
So let me take a step back here the clue is in Jon's post...
I went out to test this morning and reached 500kw and 1605 Amps in launchmode so it seems to be true... again only in launchmode as stated above the car will not achieve those numbers in any other mode as it's restricted to 1500Amps. Previously it could get 500kw+ and 1600 Amps with just max battery ready and without launch mode.
So to repeat myself... this recent update changed how the car performs in all Ludicrous modes, exept launchmode which retains the full performance. Matching with Jon's statement that maximum power output will be achievable anytime launchmode and max battery power are engaged! I'd be interested to hear how everyone feels about that?
It's obviously less usable then it was before but it's likely done to reduce high amperage usage which was previously always available at a full throttle press. I believe the consensus was that launchmode yields a worse reaction time at the drag strip vs just flooring the petal? @NSX1992 @fiksegts ? With this change for the best elapsed time you would have to use launch mode now. I'm interested if this effects the P100D in the same way as well... I'd suspect so!
The pathway at purchase was to select ludicrous mode for max performance. If we allow this to suffice... what is stopping them from adding more required steps? Think about how we got here... correct me if I am wrong but it went something like...On the plus side, at least there now appears to be a pathway to 1600 A and 10.9 seconds.
Unfortunately, it involves going through the launch mode routine, which to me felt like it was stressing the car more than just hitting the go pedal.
The pathway at purchase was to select ludicrous mode for max performance. If we allow this to suffice... what is stopping them from adding more required steps? Think about how we got here... correct me if I am wrong but it went something like...
Pathway progression to 2.8 0-60 and 10.9 quarter mile
1. Ludicrous mode
2. Ludicrous mode with Max Battery
3. Ludicrous mode with Max Battery Ready
4. Ludicrous mode with Max Battery Ready with 90% or greater charge
5. Ludicrous mode with Max Battery Ready with 90% or greater charge and in Launch Mode
6. ?????
I have asked Tesla for my money back. I told them I would drop the car off. I am cancelling my Model 3 order.
Unless they give me back the performance I paid for as advertised at time of purchase. Which was select ludicrous mode, and enjoy.
What do they do now during a test drive?
Customer: I would like to experience ludicrous mode?
Tesla: Sure lets get you into a P90DL
Customer: Ok - now what?
Tesla: Hold on a second, I just have to turn on ludicrous mode.
Customer: Cool - that was easy! Lets go.
Tesla: Hold on a minute, I need to enable Max Battery.
Customer: Cool - that was easy! Lets go.
Tesla: Hold on about 25-35 minutes... we need to wait for Max Battery Ready.
Customer:
Tesla:
Customer:
Tesla:
Customer: Really? Like every time?
Tesla: yes
Customer: Ok it's been 30 minutes - the Max Battery is Ready! Lets go.
Tesla: Ok now you need to go into Launch mode.( explains the details )
Customer: Really? I can't just hit the pedal?
Tesla: Not if you want to experience the full performance - that costs thousands of dollars.
Customer: Never mind - it's not worth all the hassle. Thanks for your time..
The pathway at purchase was to select ludicrous mode for max performance. If we allow this to suffice... what is stopping them from adding more required steps? Think about how we got here... correct me if I am wrong but it went something like...
Pathway progression to 2.8 0-60 and 10.9 quarter mile
1. Ludicrous mode
2. Ludicrous mode with Max Battery
3. Ludicrous mode with Max Battery Ready
4. Ludicrous mode with Max Battery Ready with 90% or greater charge
5. Ludicrous mode with Max Battery Ready with 90% or greater charge and in Launch Mode
6. ?????
I have asked Tesla for my money back. I told them I would drop the car off. I am cancelling my Model 3 order.
Unless they give me back the performance I paid for as advertised at time of purchase. Which was select ludicrous mode, and enjoy.
What do they do now during a test drive?
Customer: I would like to experience ludicrous mode?
Tesla: Sure lets get you into a P90DL
Customer: Ok - now what?
Tesla: Hold on a second, I just have to turn on ludicrous mode.
Customer: Cool - that was easy! Lets go.
Tesla: Hold on a minute, I need to enable Max Battery.
Customer: Cool - that was easy! Lets go.
Tesla: Hold on about 25-35 minutes... we need to wait for Max Battery Ready.
Customer:
Tesla:
Customer:
Tesla:
Customer: Really? Like every time?
Tesla: yes
Customer: Ok it's been 30 minutes - the Max Battery is Ready! Lets go.
Tesla: Ok now you need to go into Launch mode.( explains the details )
Customer: Really? I can't just hit the pedal?
Tesla: Not if you want to experience the full performance - that costs thousands of dollars.
Customer: Never mind - it's not worth all the hassle. Thanks for your time..
One caveat is this only applies to performance EVs where the battery is a bottleneck. For a EV with a weak motor (like the Leaf for example), the baseline performance is so low that it never even gets close to where the battery is a factor (except in the extremely low SOCs).To be fair, this will always be true for any Li-Ion powered EV. Better performance will ALWAYS be possible at the highest state of charge and when the batteries are warmest. This is true for the P100D and will be true for any EV going forward.
That part I get. That is fair. And I expected the power to decline linearly as the battery level reduced.To be fair, this will always be true for any Li-Ion powered EV. Better performance will ALWAYS be possible at the highest state of charge and when the batteries are warmest. This is true for the P100D and will be true for any EV going forward.
The pathway at purchase was to select ludicrous mode for max performance. If we allow this to suffice... what is stopping them from adding more required steps? Think about how we got here... correct me if I am wrong but it went something like...
Pathway progression to 2.8 0-60 and 10.9 quarter mile
1. Ludicrous mode
2. Ludicrous mode with Max Battery
3. Ludicrous mode with Max Battery Ready
4. Ludicrous mode with Max Battery Ready with 90% or greater charge
5. Ludicrous mode with Max Battery Ready with 90% or greater charge and in Launch Mode
6. ?????
And with a p100d and ludicrous plus you add even more steps
Select Ludicrous
Turn on max battery power
Press and hold on ludicrous button for x seconds to display ludicrous plus
Select bring it on
Wait for battery to come to temperature
Then enter launch mode
Or confirmed with a P90D v3?Has anyone with a P100D confirmed that you need to engage Launch Mode to get maximum power?
Yes I have... my car is a v3 battery 1088... pack P90DLOr confirmed with a P90D v3?
Or confirmed with a P90D v3?
Or a P90DL v2, for that matter.
Yes I have... my car is a v3 battery 1088... pack P90DL
My car originally made 511 KW of power at 1620 ish Amps. The current software seems to limit the amps closer to 1600 most I saw was 1608 in testing and 500Kw of power
Was there more power with launch mode than without it?500 even was my best so far though I wasn't fully charged that was at 93% SOC and ready! So it seems that the power is slightly less then expected