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Paint Peeling Off - PPF

contourrob

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View attachment 627190 View attachment 627192 I had planned on having the entire front end protected in PPF, along with the rockers and lower door panels. Upon install the installer noticed that there were a large number of rock chips on the rockers even though the car was only a week old. I ordered the touch up kit and the installed placed a scrap piece of film on the area just to cover it until I had the opportunity to touch up the chips. Last night I removed the temporary film to do the touch up and large patches of paint peeled off with the PPF. The paint was soft and almost gooey and clearly hadn’t been cured properly at the factory. I submitted a repair request to Tesla but know what’s coming.

The paint curing issue would clearly explain the ease that chips were appearing on the car after so few miles. The paint appears to come off with very little mechanical effort. I’m concerned that the rest of the vehicle may be in a similar situation and the installed PPF can never be removed without significant damage.

Has anyone else experienced anything similar and have thoughts on how to proceed? TIAView attachment 627190View attachment 627190
 

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Ok could be a multitude of things to cause this. Going to start with the car could be less than 30 days from paint. That being said Xpel says most factory paint is ok.

Second any type of contamination to the part then painted could cause this.

Then improper removal of film. Not sure how to do it. Especially around areas where paint is compromised prior to install of film. Film could bond to the loose parts of paint in chipped area???

XPEL | Help | Frequently Asked Questions

Will Removing The Film Harm The Vehicles Paint, Once Removed?

It is highly unlikely for paint protection film to harm OEM paint. Paint systems used on modern assembly lines today produce a minimum bond strength of 16 MPa and maximum of 25 MPa between the panel and the paint depending on color, iridescence and the system used. Our film’s bond to the painted surface at normal state (immediately following installation) is .0753 MPa. Even after years of heat and sun, the bond between the film and the paint increases to only 0.17 MPa. What that means is in the absolute worst case scenario, the bond of factory paint to the panel is over 94 times stronger than the bond of our film to the paint. In the best case, the paint is 332 times stronger.

That being said, it is still recommended to have a professional remove the film in accordance with our published guidelines.

Can XPEL Paint Protection Film Be Installed On A Brand New Vehicle?

Yes, most factory paint is fully cured before the car ever leaves the assembly line.



@joebruin77 what do you think?
 

contourrob

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Dec 5, 2020
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Ok could be a multitude of things to cause this. Going to start with the car could be less than 30 days from paint. That being said Xpel says most factory paint is ok.

Second any type of contamination to the part then painted could cause this.

Then improper removal of film. Not sure how to do it. Especially around areas where paint is compromised prior to install of film. Film could bond to the loose parts of paint in chipped area???

XPEL | Help | Frequently Asked Questions

Will Removing The Film Harm The Vehicles Paint, Once Removed?

It is highly unlikely for paint protection film to harm OEM paint. Paint systems used on modern assembly lines today produce a minimum bond strength of 16 MPa and maximum of 25 MPa between the panel and the paint depending on color, iridescence and the system used. Our film’s bond to the painted surface at normal state (immediately following installation) is .0753 MPa. Even after years of heat and sun, the bond between the film and the paint increases to only 0.17 MPa. What that means is in the absolute worst case scenario, the bond of factory paint to the panel is over 94 times stronger than the bond of our film to the paint. In the best case, the paint is 332 times stronger.

That being said, it is still recommended to have a professional remove the film in accordance with our published guidelines.

Can XPEL Paint Protection Film Be Installed On A Brand New Vehicle?

Yes, most factory paint is fully cured before the car ever leaves the assembly line.



@joebruin77 what do you think?

Thanks. I’ve been a user of PPF for many years and have removed film myself on some vehicles. As you’ve noted, the bond of the paint to the vehicle was much stronger than the film to the paint. i am aware of best practices when removing film, such as to remove at a shallow angle. None of this mattered as the paint was pulling from the surface almost immediately upon lifting an edge of the film.

In this scenario, the paint started pulling away very “gooey”, and not at a chip location. There was no flaking of the paint, it was more of a stretching/gooey (sorry for the poor description) pull away of some paint from the surface. The paint appears to not be bonded to the substrate well at all, as well as having a texture of what I would expect paint to have shortly after painting, yet we’re >30 days out from manufacturing. Surprising to say the least.
 

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Thanks. I’ve been a user of PPF for many years and have removed film myself on some vehicles. As you’ve noted, the bond of the paint to the vehicle was much stronger than the film to the paint. i am aware of best practices when removing film, such as to remove at a shallow angle. None of this mattered as the paint was pulling from the surface almost immediately upon lifting an edge of the film.

In this scenario, the paint started pulling away very “gooey”, and not at a chip location. There was no flaking of the paint, it was more of a stretching/gooey (sorry for the poor description) pull away of some paint from the surface. The paint appears to not be bonded to the substrate well at all, as well as having a texture of what I would expect paint to have shortly after painting, yet we’re >30 days out from manufacturing. Surprising to say the least.

Most of the gooeyness I have been around is contamination of surface prior to application.

Edit: Paint contamination.
 
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joebruin77

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Dec 23, 2018
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TBH, this is above my paygrade and knowledge. That said, my guess is that paint that is properly cured and bonded should not come off as you described. I have a couple theories:

1) You mentioned that the car had some rock chips despite it being only a week old. I am wondering if sometime AFTER the car was manufactured and BEFORE delivery, someone at Tesla noticed that the area had paint damage and they attempted to make some sort of repair. Even though the car was originally painted on the manufacturer date, perhaps that area of the car was repainted much closer to the date of delivery and the repainted area did not have time to cure fully. Perhaps you could run this by Tesla and ask if they would have some sort of record if such a repair was made.

2) There was a problem with the original application of the paint at the factory. Either the batch of paint was defective or the surface somehow got contaminated before the paint was applied.

3) I think the first two above are most likely. There is also a small chance that there was something in the adhesive that you used for the temporary film that somewhow damaged the paint. Again, unlikely, but I would still check this out. Maybe you could take a closer look at the adhesive you used and make sure it was not contaminated or accidentally mixed up with some other, more caustic chemical.

I will be curious to hear what Tesla has to say. Before you bring the car into Tesla, I would consult with a local Tesla authorized body shop and document what they tell you. That way, you are prepared to respond to any inaccurate replies from Tesla.

Good luck!
 

KenC

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Sep 4, 2018
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View attachment 627190 View attachment 627192 I had planned on having the entire front end protected in PPF, along with the rockers and lower door panels. Upon install the installer noticed that there were a large number of rock chips on the rockers even though the car was only a week old. I ordered the touch up kit and the installed placed a scrap piece of film on the area just to cover it until I had the opportunity to touch up the chips. Last night I removed the temporary film to do the touch up and large patches of paint peeled off with the PPF. The paint was soft and almost gooey and clearly hadn’t been cured properly at the factory. I submitted a repair request to Tesla but know what’s coming.

The paint curing issue would clearly explain the ease that chips were appearing on the car after so few miles. The paint appears to come off with very little mechanical effort. I’m concerned that the rest of the vehicle may be in a similar situation and the installed PPF can never be removed without significant damage.

Has anyone else experienced anything similar and have thoughts on how to proceed? TIAView attachment 627190View attachment 627190
Are there soft and gooey areas of paint that are now exposed that you can show Tesla? Presumably, not all of it has peeled away. Did you keep the temporary film so you can show the evidence of the soft and gooey paint that peeled away?

I would also add that the area on the rockers under the "line", have a different type of primer, thicker and a little elastic, one that is meant to withstand some road debris.
 

contourrob

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Dec 5, 2020
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Lexington, SC
Are there soft and gooey areas of paint that are now exposed that you can show Tesla? Presumably, not all of it has peeled away. Did you keep the temporary film so you can show the evidence of the soft and gooey paint that peeled away?

I would also add that the area on the rockers under the "line", have a different type of primer, thicker and a little elastic, one that is meant to withstand some road debris.

thanks Ken. Yes, there is paint remaining, although until I have a plan forward I wasn’t intending to pick at it further. May be an option to show Tesla just how pliable the paint is and how it’s not sticking to the surface, so thanks for the input.

I do have the plastic still. The paint is so thin it is difficult to peel it off the plastic, so it may be a better option to show them the paint pulling off the surface on the actual car, as you suggest above.

thanks again
 
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Ampre Sand

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Nov 18, 2016
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Seattle
That looks like my rocker panels, except mine haven’t peeled or chipped yet. Mine have that same step where the clear coat appears thicker and softer below the line. I thought it might be some kind of factory applied PPF film or coating. I can leave a fingernail impression in it. My car was also built Dec 2020. Hmm!
 

clerks

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Jan 18, 2021
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Pittsburgh
Watching this thread closely. That looks terrible. I took delivery of a December model 3 10 days ago and already have to deal with a paint defect in the hood. It’s ridiculous that we have to deal with these things in a 50k plus car. Good luck. I hop this is covered by Tesla.
 

jriv

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Mar 17, 2019
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Puerto Rico
My car was also delivered in December, my rocker panels paint is unacceptable. There are many places where the paint is peeling without any reason!
 

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