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Paint protection: ClearGuardX vs. XPEL?

Discussion in 'Model S: Interior & Exterior' started by maxwells, Jun 17, 2014.

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  1. maxwells

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    Warranty on XPEL is 10 years vs 7 on ClearGuardX. XPEL is proven to be best in class while little or no data exists on the other brand. I can't verify but was told by a very credible source ClearGuard failed (peeled/delaminated) within 3 years of install. Again, can't verify that but I take this persons word to be true because of their outstanding reputation.

    Simply put you can't go wrong with XPEL, its an outstanding product and has a longer warranty so that gives it my vote!
     
  3. MoeMistry

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    Choose the right installer first. Research and actually see their work.

    We've had experience with both films...XPEL Ultimate would be my choice.

    We're actually redoing a Porsche Cayenne Turbo that had prestige film applied to it about 2 years ago...it's being replaced with Suntek Topcoat

    I'll post photos.
     
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    S4Life, it looks like you have it in for Prestige Films! Mind sharing who your credible source is?
     
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    I have Xpel Ultimate and I can't even see it even though I know its there! So far its been great, but I've only had it a week.
     
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    Thank you Moe; I'd definitely appreciate photos. Assuming the installers for both films are equally good, why would you recommend XPEL?
     
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    There's also XPEL Stealth which is based on the Ultimate, but in a satin finish.

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    I have seen XPEL in person (on my blue Tesla). Looks great, performs great, however as many others will say whatever you choose the installer is what makes the difference.
     
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    +1...great advice
     
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    You're not the only who noticed, LOL
     
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    No, and not going to argue over it either even if Lloyds is trying to suck me into it :wink: I would pick XPEL over any other brand including Suntek. I simply answered someones question and based on the data available its a no brainer.

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    Love the stealth!

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    Thanks all. I'm actually planning to go check both out at Premier over the next week or so. Will report back.
     
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    Removed the Prestige film on this Porsche Cayenne Turbo yesterday. We will be using Suntek Topcoat and I'll post some photos when complete.

    The microscratches in the film are a result of poor washing and wiping technique. No PPF out there will be able to be impervious to such issues.

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    Actual paint on hood when PPF is removed and PPF still on the fender. This actually began looking this way about 4 month after installation. It's been about 2 years now and client simply wanted to redo since he's keeping the SUV.

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    Actual paint underneath PPF. Lots of swirls from the factory. We will be polishing them out even though you cannot see under the film. A bit OCD, but that's how we like it done ;)

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    Paint without any film

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    As mentioned before, choose the correct installer and they will help you decide what film is right for you. The prestige film that was on this Cayenne was from 2 years ago...so I'm not sure if the material has changed since then, hopefully it has improved.

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    Premiere is one of the pioneers in PPF industry. They do excellent work. They should have XPEL Ultimate, or most other films, if you want.

    In the end, you're in the right hands if you choose them, they're worth the premium. Just make sure to ask them about the prestige film, if they still use it, and what warranty it has in case something happens, like it did with the Cayenne above.
     
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    Thanks for the pics -- very helpful. Premiere said they used to carry XPEL Ultimate but started using ClearGuard because it was, well, clearer. I'm looking forward to seeing both in person.
     
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    Hello all. Let us first make an introduction. We are with Premier Mobile Group in Northern California. One of our potential clients directed this link to us asking us for more information, so we would like provide some feedback and information since this pertains to us via maxwell's reference. Yes, we do use ClearGuardX and have been using it since 2011 and in 2013, we started carrying their ClearGuard Nano, which is self-healing. We also have extensive experience with other products such as - Xpel Ultimate, Suntek. As a matter of fact, we have used every single product on the market since 1997. The difference, in our professional opinion, is in the clarity. We deal with the highest of the high-end market with paint that has very little orange peel texture. Our standards require us to provide the following:

    1. exceptional clarity
    2. exceptional durability
    3. exceptional protective capabilities

    The purpose of this post is to provide industry feedback regarding the various products on the market.

    With ClearGuard Nano, it has the least amount of orange peel texture and the self-healing capabilities are on par with Suntek and Ultimate. For us, this is extremely important. *Suntek is also 25% thinner than Xpel and ClearGuard Nano, so some of the newer companies prefer it because of how easy it stretches. *However, Suntek's protective capabilities are substantially less than Ultimate and Nano.

    Equally important is the installer and Moe hit this one directly on the nail head. Top film in the hands of an inexperienced installer will leave you with highly undesirable results.*

    As for the photos above posted by Moe Mistry, this is a good example of a bad film. We do doubt that this is ClearGuard as the fading occurring looks identical to Ventureshield's poor durability. We are very familiar with Ventureshield's quality as our 2nd facility that used to be in Orange County (now closed) used it exclusively. Since that company was technically independent from us here in Fremont, CA, they never ended up using ClearGuardX and stuck with Ventureshield.

    ClearGuardX is different from ClearGuard Nano. ClearGuard Nano was recently released to us in 2012. ClearGuardX comes with a 7 year warranty while their Nano ppf comes with a 10 year warranty.*

    It is to our professional opinion that the pictures above are for Ventureshield and not ClearGuardX ppf. We at Premier Mobile have used Ventureshield for a length of time, which is why we are quite certain what's in the photos is actually Ventureshield and not ClearGuardX. *We have been using CGX since 2011 and have not seen anything like those photos. However Ventureshield fades and fails in this way. Our previous Orange County facility used Ventureshield exclusively and the last generation failed identical to those photos above.

    Tips for Finding a Quality Installer:

    **It is extremely important to anyone seeking ppf to find the right installer because the top paint protection films on the market are self healing. It really comes down to the installer at this day and age.*
    **Be extremely careful with online claims of experience. Many installers do not actually perform the installations themselves and call in a specialist to do it. This means you will be paying a premium for a non in-house job. *Go directly to the installer and bypass the upseller. *
    **How do you find out if a company's experienced, just do a search on the various automotive forums as they all have archives and history of posts. This will be an easy search that can be done even here onTeslamotorsclub.com
    **Not all custom installations are equal. *Just because a company touts panel removal, door cups taken off, mirrors removed, etc. does not mean that they are good at what they do. *It just means they are willing to take the time to disassemble parts of your car to make the installation easier. A big however, is this - was it necessary to have so much taken apart. *
    **Marketing is always important in business and some companies do it better than others. *So it would be advisable to move away from*
    **Another way to verify experience is by doing a quick search with your local business license department. For example, Orange County has a very simple site where you just enter in the company name or principals and you will find when they actually obtained their fictitious filing..........such as this one:

    County of Orange - Clerk-Recorder

    On a side note, since we are in Northern California, naturally many would ask for a reference for Southern California installers. *Speak with Bain Mendoza at*310-613-3978. *The owners of Premier Mobile have known him since the early 2000s and he is a very good installer. *He also provides his services to many companies in the LA and Orange County so best to contact him directly than to go through an upselling service company.

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    Have it applied to a painted sample. Once in a while, we actually demonstrate side by side a small strip on a client's hood. Film looks different when on paint
     
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    Moe,

    How does the Suntek Topcoat compare with the Xpel Ultimate -- assuming that the installer is skilled.
     
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    We do have the various films installed to a black hood for viewing of the difference and also to gouge up the films with your key to test the limitations of these films.

    Suntek is 25% thinner than xpel and clearguard nano.
     
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    Glad to hear from your professional opinion, this is't clear guard....it was sold to him as Prestige Clear Guard by Premiere SoCal, as was two of his other cars...Porsche 997.2 Turbo and BMW X5M. For some reason, his Porsche turbo held up well, but BMW and Cayenne did not. He even had us use the appropriate Premiere cleaners and sealants.

    I do however disagree with going direct to the installer that only does PPF mainly to save money. IMHO, it's in the best interest of the VEHICLE to have as many SKILLED technicians specializing in their craft working on the vehicle. True that there are some companies out there that simply markup up a vendor's work and simply collect a profit. In contrast, there are companies like us that believe in giving a unique product as a whole and commissioning the best installers to achieve that vision. We simply make the installer's life easier and do things they normally wouldn't, or couldn't....this requires vision, experience, expertise, and patience. Doing a proper paint correction to remove sanding marks from the factory, swirl marks from delivery center from improper washing, paint touch up of chips, removing bumper, lights, trim pieces, door handles, rear lights, etc. to gain better access and have a more seamless installation....these tasks add hours, sometimes days to a simple/advanced PPF installation. It's a symbiotic relationship that does what is best for the vehicle considering this a semi-permanent enhancement to a vehicle. The other added benefits of dealing with a company like us is we can carryout the proper maintenance of the entire vehicle from day 1. That means the quality and performance of the work is guaranteed by us...not our vendors. That's the ultimate guarantee someone can make...and they can only do that if they commission the best vendors, perform the tasks at hand with highest level of integrity and craftsmanship, ultimately giving their client VALUE...which isn't synonymous with being the cheapest and going direct. It's not a business model for everyone wanting to make a quick buck, but it's good to know companies like us conduct business this way and form relationships with clients and community.

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    Suntek is about 2 mils thinner than xpel ultimate. However, it has less orange peel and is clearer. So on a metallic paint, you will see the flecks of metal much better and clearer.

    Durability wise, I'm not aware of any film that can be extremely clear, little orange peel, be thick enough to resist most extreme rock chips, and be self healing. There are films that excel in some areas, but none have excelled at ALL areas.

    So, for our clients, I make it simple. If they're concerned about durability and warranty, but are willing to give up a little clarity, we choose XPEL Ultimate. A neat thing about XPEL Ultimate is that it allows UV rays to penetrate, and that help when it comes to removal as the original paint will have faded at the same rate as the unprotected areas.

    For someone that wants great protection, not excellent, but want it to look as close to paint as possible, then we choose Suntek Topcoat.
     
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    Thank you for clarifying. That is correct, our original Southern California facility used Ventureshield exclusively, so they never had access to Clearguardx.

    My apologies as it was not an inference to your company when I mentioned up-sellers. As a matter of fact I assumed you performed all services in-house.

    The relevance here is regarding utilizing quality installers. Installers with experience backed with talent. It's far too easy to say I have been doing things x number of years, when in reality it is far shorter. The internet makes it too easy for anyone to lay claims. We have been in this industry for over 17 years now, so we have seen a lot....
     

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