TMC is an independent, primarily volunteer organization that relies on ad revenue to cover its operating costs. Please consider whitelisting TMC on your ad blocker and becoming a Supporting Member. For more info: Support TMC

Performance 3 vs Performance 3 Upgrade Package

Discussion in 'Model 3' started by StinkyTofu, Aug 10, 2018.

  1. StinkyTofu

    StinkyTofu Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2018
    Messages:
    9
    Location:
    Henderson, NV
    Does anyone know if there is any hardware / motor difference between the two which allows the performance package upgrade to get the higher top speed of 155mph? I placed an order for a basic performance with aero wheels but having second thoughts on the performance package if it is actually a better motor .
     
  2. Knightshade

    Knightshade Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2017
    Messages:
    1,969
    Location:
    NC
    Same motor in every model 3
     
  3. StinkyTofu

    StinkyTofu Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2018
    Messages:
    9
    Location:
    Henderson, NV
    Gotcha. I guess it's just an electronic limiter that's removed then.
     
  4. zer0cool

    zer0cool Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2015
    Messages:
    444
    Location:
    charlotte, nc
    My thoughts that I posted earlier about standard tires and brakes below:

    So have owned a regular RWD for about 2 week, just want to share my thoughts on the standard 18in tires and brakes and then comment about whether it makes sense to have these standard items on a P3.

    So basically on the first turn after leaving the store, I heard tires squeaking. A day later, I talked to my friend who got his car in May, and he noted that these tires frequently reach grip limit and make the squeaking noise. My wife has noted the same thing as she's driven the car a few times or sat in the car as I drove. All of us are non-aggressive drivers. Basically these standard tires are just not very good and can't really handle the car's torque in everyday driving situations. Obviously an extension of that conclusion is that these tires would be in no way fit for any level of performance driving. I would have absolutely no confidence at making a performance turn with these tires... probably would loose grip easily and spin out if you give power at the apex...

    Then the brakes. These are pretty poor brakes... they are very tight, lack any feel, and it' just hard to tell how hard you are braking with them... Compare to say brakes on any BMW and Porsche, they are just poor.

    So on a regular everyday model, one can deal with it. OK the tires have low limit, then don't turn too quick, don't accelerate while turning... or of course just get better tires... Brakes are kinda shitty, just start your slowdown sooner, and sometimes step on it harder compared to other cars; can learn and get used to it.

    Basically I then want to talk about the P3. If these are the same standard items on the P3, then you are basically getting a handicapped car. You ll have a car with tons of power and torque, but you can't really use them because you ll have shitty tires and brakes... I assume the performance package tires and brakes are much better. Basically my thoughts are if you really want a P3 and will drive it at least sometimes spiritedly, you probably want the performance parts so you are not handicapped by poor tires and brakes. In fact I think it could be dangerous to have such a powerful car with poor tires and brakes (I guess if all you do is go fast in a straight line and always slow down smoothly below 20mph on turns, you should be OK with the standard stuff).
     
    • Disagree x 2
    • Like x 1
    • Funny x 1
  5. Msjulie

    Msjulie Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2016
    Messages:
    1,041
    Location:
    San Fran Bay Area
    I have not had any issues with the 'standard' brakes but I'm not tracking the car..
     
    • Like x 2
  6. stonelance

    stonelance Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2018
    Messages:
    110
    Location:
    Seattle
    I got my performance edition with 18" aeros yesterday. I haven't tried high speed turns yet, but at least for straight line acceleration I haven't noticed any tire slip or squeal, although that could be due to torque limiting, so hard to say. I'm guessing most people that don't get the performance upgrade are doing so because they plan to get aftermarket rims\tires anyway.
     
    • Like x 1
  7. itskv

    itskv Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2017
    Messages:
    44
    Location:
    San Francisco, CA
    Do you really need higher top speed of 155mph?
     
  8. Zextraterrestrial

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2010
    Messages:
    3,953
    Location:
    Humboldt/Los Altos
    @zer0cool are you sure the brakes are crappy or is it just tires (and maybe pads)? If your tires aren't good enough you will never know if your brakes are weak unless you can manage to heat them up enough top fade but then it is the pads probably.

    & what are the tires on the standard LR w/each wheel type VS P?
     
  9. StinkyTofu

    StinkyTofu Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2018
    Messages:
    9
    Location:
    Henderson, NV
    Oh absolutely not. But if there's a hardware difference between the two motors then I'd rather go with the upgrade. If its matter of software limitation than i dont care My rationale is to ensure that I don't get left out of future software updates for the performance model simply because I didn't get the performance upgrade package.
     
  10. StinkyTofu

    StinkyTofu Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2018
    Messages:
    9
    Location:
    Henderson, NV
    Zero - Thanks for your detailed response. I drove the LR and tend to agree with you on the brakes. Initial bite is not there and modulation is vague . have a feeling that it will be easily correctable with better pads and tires though. Reason I'm a little skeptical with the performance upgrade package is that there is so little information on it. The suspension I hear is supposedly only a 1cm drop with no change in damping and spring rates . I got a chance to look at the upgraded brakes in person and it's def more than a paint job. With that being said most OEM BBK setups I have driven Haven't been that impressive. Front caliper and rotor are def bigger and will be able to handle higher hear capacity. I think that is a mute point though because you aren't going to be able to lap this car more than 4 to 5 times without the battery overheating anyway and lowering Power output. The rear brake calipers are a little bigger but it is still a single piston/bracket setup just like the base model but a little larger.
     
  11. Zextraterrestrial

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2010
    Messages:
    3,953
    Location:
    Humboldt/Los Altos
    this is my only concern...'track mode' could be limited to only the P '+'
    ok, not my only concern...Stinky tofu is concerning too.that is one smell/food from Taipei that I'm really not down with.
    Street scallion pancakes though...mmmm, learned a new favorite breakfast (or anytime) food to cook
    IMG_4850.JPG
     
  12. zer0cool

    zer0cool Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2015
    Messages:
    444
    Location:
    charlotte, nc
    Ya may be better to just get standard and get your own tires and pads. If suspension is just 1cm lower but nothing else different, probably not worth it.
     
  13. UnitaryExecutive

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2015
    Messages:
    164
    Location:
    Denver, CO
    Who uses brakes in a Tesla? Our 2 year old MX w/ 32k miles has 0 brake wear...
     
  14. Msjulie

    Msjulie Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2016
    Messages:
    1,041
    Location:
    San Fran Bay Area
    Yup there is that - I wonder if because regen can be so strong, it influences how you feel about brake pedal etc - doesn't take much braking on top of strong regen to really feel like you slammed on that brake pedal
     

Share This Page

  • About Us

    Formed in 2006, Tesla Motors Club (TMC) was the first independent online Tesla community. Today it remains the largest and most dynamic community of Tesla enthusiasts. Learn more.
  • Do you value your experience at TMC? Consider becoming a Supporting Member of Tesla Motors Club. As a thank you for your contribution, you'll get nearly no ads in the Community and Groups sections. Additional perks are available depending on the level of contribution. Please visit the Account Upgrades page for more details.


    SUPPORT TMC