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Performance not performing
- Thread starter jliver33
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PITA
Model 3 Performance
Not necessarily at all.
Existing owners have an expectation on how their car drives. It's too late to significantly change the driving performance on existing cars out in the wild. That would cause a Law Action. People don't want what they already have downgraded. Once their car is outside Warranty, Tesla won't care. Tough. Things will have moved on a LOT by that time anyways.
However, making a step change model now with a new config variant sets the trend from day one. If people even notice, they're more likely to just refund or keep the consumer damage limited while they work it through.
Heat Pump models signify a step change. Maybe that was their time to try a different setup.
Have any UK owners actually noticed this massive performance drop in UK WINTER time?
Or are you all just arguing over an extreme weather YouTuber with an App?? vs. Tesla Engineers who build and design these things??
Jason71
Well-Known Member
Yes. I'm sure there is a thread about it somewhere.
Oh hang on its this one!
PITA
Model 3 Performance
Just goes to show PITA hasn't gone back and read the thread despite it being suggested that they did, funny how they are so disparaging about other people yet are jumping in both feet to say its not a problem.
It would be a lot less if you hadn't posted so much rubbish along the way
Weird that there's no 2020s or 2018s in that list. I've got a 2018 I guess I should measure and contribute.
PITA
Model 3 Performance
Now who likes the sound of his own voice.
Well, as I'm a 2021 Performance owner lets see what happens during this Winter. They'll be no hiding from it.
Proof is in the eating...
Mine doesn't feel that way, but I'm speaking from a track driving lapping) perspective so I'm basically always in Track Mode. My 100% SOC is 278 miles, in case that's considered relevant.
Apparently you missed the pages of threads of non-Performance M3 owners wanting Track Mode. It has value for those that value what's in it (me included).
We should close the loop on this cause Bjorn just updated the trial runs 3 days ago
2021P is faster than LR now, as well as the 2019P (which previously was faster) as it should be at all SOC and weather (even down to 10% SOC for a P vs 90% SOC for an LR)…he doesn’t have LR with AB in his excel table and not sure if he tested one but would make sense that P is still faster down to any SOC
2021P is faster than LR now, as well as the 2019P (which previously was faster) as it should be at all SOC and weather (even down to 10% SOC for a P vs 90% SOC for an LR)…he doesn’t have LR with AB in his excel table and not sure if he tested one but would make sense that P is still faster down to any SOC
I watched the video and I think he’s missed part of the point completely (or deliberately). The issue was cold batteries at low states of charge, all his video has done has shown that the heat pump doesn’t cool the battery as much as it did, he hasn’t tested how a cold battery, first thing in the morning, at say 50% state of charge would perform.
He also needs to look at range as the whole point of the heat pump was to improve efficiency and to all intents and purposes it looks like the heat pump now does very little as the batteries, one of the primary sources of heat for the cabin in the cold, don’t seem to be having any heat taken out of them. I imagine owners would sacrifice a bit of efficiency over a large loss of performance, but nobody knows what the implications of the change is. It’s one of my pet annoyances of reviews like this, they appear to be scientific with hard numbers but they raise more questions than they answer.
He also needs to look at range as the whole point of the heat pump was to improve efficiency and to all intents and purposes it looks like the heat pump now does very little as the batteries, one of the primary sources of heat for the cabin in the cold, don’t seem to be having any heat taken out of them. I imagine owners would sacrifice a bit of efficiency over a large loss of performance, but nobody knows what the implications of the change is. It’s one of my pet annoyances of reviews like this, they appear to be scientific with hard numbers but they raise more questions than they answer.
goRt
Active Member
As I've said before, chill mode should be for economy sport for performance
It can't be that hard to code the octovalve unless it's physical design precludes the correct configuration
CATL chief scientist says energy dense M3P batteries are already in production, debut next year
Looks like Tesla have found a fix for this issue finally, new higher density battery, but not until next year!
Looks like Tesla have found a fix for this issue finally, new higher density battery, but not until next year!
CATL manufacture LFP batteries. Their newly developed battery (codenamed the M3P) has higher density than their existing LFP battery for around the same price.
There is no muddle with the article, only people reading M3P as something to do with Tesla when it doesn't.
All the pre-existing CATL lithium EV batteries have a energy higher density than their LFP batteries AFAIK. A lower energy density than pre-existing batteries has always been one of the few negatives associated with LFP and has always been given as the reason why they couldn't shoehorn a high enough capacity LFP into the Performance or LR Tesla Model 3. The larger size and higher weight meant that LFP was only suitable for the later SR+ versions and the new RWD Model 3. [This is the case whether or not "M3P" in the article refers to Tesla cars or not.]
and so from a Tesla point of view if they adopt this new battery the RWD/SR+ model will gain range for the same price, or the same range for less.
No where in the article does it imply these are the highest density lithium batteries available. No where is there a comparison with NCA. All CATL has announced is a new battery that outperforms their existing LFP battery and is good news for the lower end of the EV market.
For people who are in the market for a Tesla Model 3 Performance - nothing to see here.
I would speculate that the already increased range of the RWD M3 (with LFP) is as far as they are likely to go without risking impinging on LR territory... unless there is a commensurate increase in the range of the LR on the cards as well. Who knows?!
