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Performance of Refreshed MSLR vs. others
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Zcd1
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Serious and true.
Real world = no drag strips/racetracks and no launch-control starts.
Real world everyday driving. Punch it and go.
aerodyne
2 of 3 EV's - Defect Free!
AMPd
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So basically you’ll ignore facts and handicap other vehicles in order to believe your made up lie. Got it.
Pretty good runs. Thanks for sharing. Did Dragy capture a 0-60 run on your higher SoC runs? I also setup my Dragy to do a lot of other custom metrics as well. I haven't had a chance to run my MSLR yet.
I'd like to see how the 0-60 when fresh matches up to the factory claimed of 3.1 (including rollout). On the run you posted it is off .3 seconds and even without factoring in rollout it still doesn't do 3.1. I honestly thought it would have been better. For comparison I ran my M3LR (with boost) and it run a 3.78 0-60 at a 47% SoC. I typically never charge it above 50% unless going a long ways. When I ran it before adding boost, it ran a 4.32 vs a 4.2 claimed. That was at a 70% SoC. So close enough I didn't worry and I am a bigger guy so I expected it to be slower.
Given that most Plaids seem to be able to hit their numbers, or very close to them, I am not seeing that pattern with the MSLR. I haven't seen a single post of anyone who got a 3.1 0-60 out of the MSLR. Frankly this is concerning to me.
The last M3P I tested, ran a 3.28 with rollout 0-60. It was 3.1% without rollout at a 90% SoC and my big butt in it. Based on what I've seen so far, there is a high likelihood that a M3P will take a MSLR to 60 unless the P is at a very low SoC. That shouldn't even be remotely possible according to Tesla if the cars at a high SoC.
I think we might be getting short changed on what performance we were promised and what we are actually getting. I don't really have any places right now where I can get in a 0-60 run due to how bad the traffic is. And to be honest, it doesn't feel as quick as I think it should when I get on it from a stop. In the upper speed ranges, it absolutely crushes my 3, but at lower speeds it doesn't feel that much quicker.
Zcd1
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Sez the guy trying to re-define my statement in order to create an argument where there is none - LOL.
I can say even my relatively slow MYLR w/boost was more than a match for the vast majority of cars on the street. I probably ran 20 cars on the street and only lost to 1. It took that guy 3 times to finally beat me. That car was only running about 4.3 0-60 and it was the 7 seater so was slower than the 5 w/boost and a fair amount slower than the MYP.
The street is a great equalizer and AWD and Tesla's traction control help a lot. I would say at least 10 of the cars should have beat me, likely would have if we ran a 1/4 mile. In the 0-60 range, it is hard to beat a Tesla (except with another Tesla) but not impossible. Also most of my runs where never at a high SoC either. Maybe 50-70% so still some performance left on the table so to speak.
Of course you may find someone who has really dialed is car in for the street, has made lots of runs, and in general is very experienced. Those people are very few and far between. I spent enough time street racing to know who I need to watch out for. There are enough people like Farm Truck out there that I am always suspicious of what I they are running if they want to run for $$$.
Anyone who has half a brain can easily look on the internet and see what a Plaid, M3P, etc will run and do the math to know if they have a good chance of beating you, at least on paper anyway.
The street is a great equalizer and AWD and Tesla's traction control help a lot. I would say at least 10 of the cars should have beat me, likely would have if we ran a 1/4 mile. In the 0-60 range, it is hard to beat a Tesla (except with another Tesla) but not impossible. Also most of my runs where never at a high SoC either. Maybe 50-70% so still some performance left on the table so to speak.
Of course you may find someone who has really dialed is car in for the street, has made lots of runs, and in general is very experienced. Those people are very few and far between. I spent enough time street racing to know who I need to watch out for. There are enough people like Farm Truck out there that I am always suspicious of what I they are running if they want to run for $$$.
Anyone who has half a brain can easily look on the internet and see what a Plaid, M3P, etc will run and do the math to know if they have a good chance of beating you, at least on paper anyway.
AMPd
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I didn’t redefine anything. Your statement of the MSLR being quicker than any stock ICE sedan for sale today is simply false, a bmw m5 is quicker.
Then you had to move the goal posts and handicap it with an arbitrary “no launch control” rule, because that’s somehow not real world…
You want to ignore the facts, be my guest, doesn’t really matter to me.
aerodyne
2 of 3 EV's - Defect Free!
You made me look.
It is faster top speed, but only with an optional package.
Seems like 0-60 and 1/4 mile are very close, as is the base price.
I wonder how BMW did it.
It is faster top speed, but only with an optional package.
Seems like 0-60 and 1/4 mile are very close, as is the base price.
I wonder how BMW did it.
Zcd1
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Oh, you mean the M5 that runs 10.9 @ 128 (on a drag strip, with launch control, which in the real world is 11.4-11.6 @ 127) to the MSLR’s 10.8 @ 130 anywhere?!? THAT M5?
Tested: 2021 BMW M5 Competition Does Mild to Wild
As 617-hp sports sedans go, BMW's updated M5 Competition is awfully easy to live with.
www.caranddriver.com
And even all of that ignores the fact that in the real world of punch it and go driving the M5 wouldn’t see which way the MSLR went…
Speaking of ignoring facts…
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AMPd
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BMW is very conservative with their claimed 0-60 time, some testing publications got times of 2.6 seconds, which is quicker than a long range.
aerodyne
2 of 3 EV's - Defect Free!
And they did it with an automatic. I was guessing manual, and dropping the clutch.
But I'll bet with the options, closer in price to a Plaid.
Think I'll stick with the LR. My goal is more avoiding road rage, than road racing. BMW driver's as a general rule, tend to have a distinct driving style that does not suit me.
AMPd
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Oh, you mean the M5 that runs 10.9 @ 128 (on a drag strip, with launch control, which in the real world is 11.4-11.6 @ 127) to the MSLR’s 10.8 @ 130 anywhere?!? THAT M5?
Tested: 2021 BMW M5 Competition Does Mild to Wild
As 617-hp sports sedans go, BMW's updated M5 Competition is awfully easy to live with.
And even all of that ignores the fact that in the real world of punch it and go driving the M5 wouldn’t see which way the MSLR went…
Speaking of ignoring facts…
Not on a drag strip.
AMPd
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It’s definitely priced closer to the plaid, I’ll also stick with the LR.
The screenshot I posted was my best 0-60 (and 1/8-mile) of the day, and I'm pretty sure my SOC was 89%. (For sure it was between 87 and 92%).
I could tell I was traction-limited at this track—my tires (the OEM all-season Continentals) chirped with every launch. It's interesting, though, that the G-graph from the Dragy doesn't match what my butt was telling me. I swear it felt like it really picked up around 60MPH, but the Dragy disagrees. I would trust the Dragy.
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Zcd1
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Yeah cause some random dude with a performance monitor and launch control on an airstrip is representative of “real world”.
But go ahead, keep digging yourself a deeper hole.
AMPd
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You did a great job trolling, you can take solace in that.Yeah cause some random dude with a performance monitor and launch control on an airstrip is representative of “real world”.
But go ahead, keep digging yourself a deeper hole.
SBDPlaid
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Most day to day street races are going to occur from a roll, so 60-130 time is the most representative measure to look at it. From what I’ve seen, the LR is the quickest sedan on the market, of course not counting the Plaid.
Anyways, M5 is priced to compete with the Plaid not the LR, so fact remains that the LR is extremely impressive for the $ and everything else considered. AND, as has been pointed out, the LR is even going to win from a dig race in most instances on the street compared to the M5. If Tesla didn’t neuter the LR off the line, then the LR would always beat the M5 from a dig as well as its trap speed is more aligned for a mid 10 second car
MGMiller
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Finally glad to see "my" car in a drag race video. Right down to the tires I have. This does make me wonder if you could have gained a few tenths of a second with the Pirelli summer tires. That would have put it right at the claimed 3.1 seconds.The screenshot I posted was my best 0-60 (and 1/8-mile) of the day, and I'm pretty sure my SOC was 89%. (For sure it was between 87 and 92%).
I could tell I was traction-limited at this track—my tires (the OEM all-season Continentals) chirped with every launch. It's interesting, though, that the G-graph from the Dragy doesn't match what my butt was telling me. I swear it felt like it really picked up around 60MPH, but the Dragy disagrees. I would trust the Dragy.
I'm still hoping to get to a proper 1/4-mile track (with prep!) and gather some data. Unfortunately, tomorrow's Test & Tune event is almost certainly going to be rained out and there aren't many left for the season. I would be surprised if the MSLR would still be traction-limited on a prepped surface, even with the AS tires. With any luck, maybe I'll get to the track next Wednesday.
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